@Riot Zeds been one of the top ban rate for multiple patches already.

CatSith·May 26, 2016·29 votes·1,606 views

Don't take caution for over nerfing him. He should be treated as the rest of the champions that run wild after changes to the game.

> Zed > Razor Shuriken (Q)

> - Base damage reduced to 70/105/140/175/210 from 75/115/155/195/235 > - AD ratio reduced to .9 from 1.0 > - Damage on Multi hit on same target increased to 75% from 50%

Removed from PVE Death Mark (R):

Proc damage reverted to 25/35/45% from 30/40/50%
AD ratio reverted to 1.0 from .5

Please don't give him special treatment.

39 Comments

JorenciceMay 26, 20165 votes

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Don't take caution for over nerfing him. He should be treated as the rest of the champions that run wild after changes to the game.

> Zed > Razor Shuriken (Q)

> - Base damage reduced to 70/105/140/175/210 from 75/115/155/195/235 > - AD ratio reduced to .9 from 1.0 > - Damage on Multi hit on same target increased to 75% from 50%

Removed from PVE Death Mark (R):

Proc damage reverted to 25/35/45% from 30/40/50%

AD ratio reverted to 1.0 from .5

Please don't give him special treatment.

He already has a sub 50% winrate.

The forums have an extreme hard on for zed. I don't think they would be satisfied till he's at 35% winrate.

Tyrone LannisterMay 26, 20162 votes

Pretty much. Its pathetic how much hate zed gets

IcyPepperMay 26, 20162 votes

Yes, because winrate is everything.

It's pathetic how people think the rest of the data is important. Like, who needs context?

CatSithMay 26, 20169 votes

With a 85% ban rate? lol

NarasimhaMay 26, 20162 votes

That's exactly the thing. No one likes playing against him. But that's just because of his playstyle. Gutting his numbers doesn't change that short of making him unplayable, which should never be the solution.

ItLoomsMay 26, 20163 votes

Not just his style, there is no real weakness in his kit:

outranges most mages with Q
safety in lane with W
an ult that basically has 2 flashes (blinks) for free
the easiest last hitting ability under turret due to his passive
you cannot outsustatin him in lane since he is energy based...he can play it safe and never run out of resources.

In lane due to all this he is cancer and there is nothing that can prevent a good Zed player from chipping away your health until you are surely dead to his ult. As Riot Claims an assassin should play as high risk high reward...I just don't see the risk in Zed's current kit.

xeviMay 26, 20161 votes

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Not just his style, there is no real weakness in his kit:

outranges most mages with Q

safety in lane with W

an ult that basically has 2 flashes (blinks) for free

the easiest last hitting ability under turret due to his passive

you cannot outsustatin him in lane since he is energy based...he can play it safe and never run out of resources.

In lane due to all this he is cancer and there is nothing that can prevent a good Zed player from chipping away your health until you are surely dead to his ult. As Riot Claims an assassin should play as high risk high reward...I just don't see the risk in Zed's current kit.

Rito Game is making Zed a little less frustrating tho.

To do decent poke now he has to hit both q's and most mages have higher range than q range (without shadow ofc).
Coordinate a gank with jungler to catch Zed with W off cd?
He comes from behind, and unless he W, R, W or flashes, there is a nice 0.5 second window to catch him with cc
Pretty much
Try to find window's of opportunity to input some decent damage to bully him out of lane and/or zone him when his shadow is off CD to get a CS advantage.
I'm Bronze I btw so take what I say with a grain of salt :D

GayFluffyUnicornMay 26, 20161 votes

His Q is on par with LeBlancs point and click Q. Outranges most mages? Which mages? Exactly, none.

ItLoomsMay 27, 20162 votes

Exactly which mage? Just from the top of my head: Ahri Q 880 range, Brand W 900 range, Leblanc Q 700 range, Orianna Q 825 range etc.

Zed is an assassin whose shuriken has a 900 range. With the shadow (+700) he throws shurikens from 1600 range. Without his shadow his Q poke outranges most mages' Q and with his shadow...he outranges almost all of them.

A minority group of mages outrange Zed: Lux, Xerath, Velkoz, Ziggs. And I deliberately did not mention mid range mages (Swain, Viktor, Malzahar, Annie, Ryze etc)

Keep in mind we are talking about a "high risk" assassin here

Nameless VoiceMay 27, 20161 votes

It was the solution for Yorick, Poppy, Eve, etc. when they had kits that were considered toxic.

Rather have one champion weak, affecting only the people who want to play that one champion, rather than having them so strong that it affects the entire playerbase.

Dar RaksadaMay 27, 20161 votes

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That's exactly the thing. No one likes playing against him. But that's just because of his playstyle. Gutting his numbers doesn't change that short of making him unplayable, which should never be the solution.

I believe he might be suffering from kassadin syndrome, as you may recall kassadin once had a banrate of about 99%, because his banrate was so high, no one was that experienced with him, and people that did pick him often failed to use him to his full potential.

The Lonely RoninMay 26, 20161 votes

Man I am a Zed main and I actually want him to be nerfed, but not because I think hes super strong or in a great spot. To the contrary, I feel like hes actually the weakest hes ever been, at least for the year of time I spent playing him. No I want Zed to get nerfed SO I CAN PLAY MY GODDAMN CHAMP AGAIN. Feelsbadman

Very Hard EngageMay 26, 20162 votes

no one was happy with veigar seeing play as support until he got all the way dumpstered to 37% win rate.

and then he had to wait through 4 patches to get the necessary changes to obtain a 47% win rate. and then another 5 months later he got ap on asissts which boosted him up to 52%.

SO YES, LETS DUMPSTER ZED FOR A WHILE

Yosuke ApperuMay 27, 20161 votes

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He already has a sub 50% winrate.

The forums have an extreme hard on for zed. I don't think they would be satisfied till he's at 35% winrate.

90% + ban rate in korea brother.

JorenciceMay 27, 20161 votes

Cool. Doesn't mean he's not being banned for being annoying and not OP like people think.

XeruonMay 26, 20165 votes

The boards are on a personal vendetta against Assassins. Whenever a champion soft-counters their below-average difficulty, usually immobile champion ( Jinx Xerath MissFortune Lux to name a few) they immidietly start QQing, forgetting any sort of reasoning, and trying to make it seem like Riot wont nerf Zed. Many people were actually claiming that the Zed Q nerf on PBE is a buff. However, it reduces his poke, and his waveclear without his W, and only rewards him if he manages to land 2+ shurikens on the same target, which is easier said than done.

<sarcasm> Then again, I'm a filthy Zed main, so what do I know about balance, right? </sarcasm>

GayFluffyUnicornMay 26, 20162 votes

Especially lux players who think they are all mighty and skilled with her E filling your own half of the lane, with a tower to tower range. And this ominous "run out of mana" doesn't seem to apply at all. Every lux and ahri i see spam all day, missing half their abilities without suffering any mana sustain problems, especially since riot introduced lost chapter.

XeruonMay 26, 20161 votes

Yeah, the boards are still QQing over Zed while Ahri has had a 50%+ winrate and consistantly high pickrate for 1.5 seasons now, while only seeing minor nerfs, if any at all.

CatSithMay 27, 20161 votes

Nah, people are just mad because Zed doesn't have a high risk while having a high reward for using his spells as an assassin.

DrCyanideMay 27, 20161 votes

Yes, because the most played champions in Plat+ (where these pick/ban rates are coming from) are playing Jinx (11.5%), Xerath (2.8%), Miss Fortune (3.2%), and Lux (7.5%). Despite being banned out, Zed still manages a 5.9% pick rate, higher than half of those champions you list as hating him.

The most played ADCs (Lucian and Ezreal) have dashes. The most played Mids (Azir and LeBlanc) have dashes. The most played Junglers (Lee Sin and Graves) have dashes. The most played Tops (Maokai and Yasuo) have ways to reposition themselves. The most played Supports (Thresh and Braum) have ways to reposition themselves and are tanky enough they shouldn't care if a Zed ults them.

Reason dictates it's not people wanting to play immobile champions that's caused Zed's ban rate to spike.

The White PlagueMay 26, 20163 votes

I never have a problem against him.

Sure he is slippery and does damage, but not as annoying as Leblanc imo.

I also notice he kind of falls off later on when everyones grouped and he can't pick off a target if your team has cc

MissMikasaMay 26, 20162 votes

He is more annoying than LB. Don't know what you are smoking but she's easier to handle than Zed is.

alasarcherMay 26, 20161 votes

Dont u people see why Zed is perma banned? There is nothing else to ban anymore. Ekko got gutted. Fiora got gutted. Everything that used to be banned is now weak, gutted and noone bans anymore. People nowadays ban Malzahar out of habit cause of what happened after rework, even tho he got nerfed. Mostly they ban assassins like Zed maybe Fizz, and then just 3 random bans (Some even ban Illaoi ... lol).

FawkseaMay 26, 20162 votes

uhm most common bans i see are zed-swain-ekko (because he's not gutted yet, thats next patch so its obvious people are still banning him)-malzahar- brand and then usually some random ban cus people dont wanna see the champ (fizz/lb/kindred)

ImmortalBloodCYMay 26, 20161 votes

item 3140 Got nerfed so it no longer removes Zed's Ultimate so yes he is banned 100% of the time.

SpoofghoulMay 26, 20161 votes

riot needs to reduce shuriken width

makes it easier to dodge so you wont be at 30% hp by the time he hits 6, unless ofc its a skilled zed who can actually aim.

problem fixed

he has an average 81% banrate and rising so riot is going to ahve to fix their favorite champion sooner or later because he is reaching old kassawin permaban status so nobody will ever be able to play him if they wont change him

MunchCrunchLunchMay 26, 20161 votes

also volibear has been at the top 10 of winrates in 6-7 months already. not few patches but months

Neo MetalsonicMay 27, 20161 votes

He's overpowered definitely but he is really boring to play and almost nobody is picking him currently.

His bite is just too strong.

INoble KnightIMay 27, 20161 votes

it's an execute that scales from health. If you think his bite is to strong than any execute in the game is to strong

Neo MetalsonicMay 27, 20161 votes

He's 46,8% winrate in diamond.

Just bad players banning him, there's so many better champions than Zed out there. Yasuo is pretty much a much better version of Zed that doesn't drop like a rock past level 14.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 27, 20161 votes

the problem with zed is that he can kill an ad carry pretty easily without much that you can do. unless your team is voicechatting with you and have fantastic team work.

Neo MetalsonicMay 27, 20161 votes

Can´t you just pick soraka lay down the silence ground then destroy him because he can´t back?

Or just pick cho so he won't really do his combo to begin with.

DrCyanideMay 27, 20162 votes

So if your team doesn't have 2/130 champions on it, you're done for?

Riot said they were trying to get rid of winning/losing game in champ select. Not saying there shouldn't be hard counters, but he shouldn't counter everyone that hard.

Punching TopMay 27, 20161 votes

Riot said that they do not want a champion to be countered like: Soraka silences Zed => pick Soraka to counterplay Zed ;

item 3157 counters Zed => purchase to counter Zed .

They want a champion to be counterplayed without spells and items. That's why the most recent champions' kits include** skillshots** and delays (and that's why they nerfed item 3140 item 3139 ).