is kalista still underestimated?

Ahristocats·Jun 17, 2017·2 votes·419 views

i remember a lot of posts asking for a mini-kalista rework, or for a complete rework to kalista because she's garbage she had 42% win rate while being one of the worst champ in the game now?

in plat+ she has 3.5% pick rate and 49.2% win rate in diamond+ she has 4.5% pick rate and 50% win rate

so what are people's opinion on her now?

V7.1 -NEW EFFECT: Passive is no longer disabled while Rend is on cooldown. -Number of units required to refund the mana cost reduced to 1 from 2. -BUG FIX: Fixed an issue where Rend's cooldown sometimes didn't reset when Rend killed a >unit

i guess meddler did a perfect job with this buff she's even picked in competition

10 Comments

PennsJun 17, 20172 votes

She is p good but Draven Twitch Caitlyn

CrabPeopleReformJun 17, 20171 votes

why instead of draven people don't say item 3812 many champions became broken thx to it

AhristocatsJun 17, 20171 votes

who exactly became broken with death dance except draven?

CrabPeopleReformJun 17, 20171 votes

riven yasuo kha zix just to name a few and is way better than bt not only counting the fact that damage delay makes the game toxic

AhristocatsJun 17, 20171 votes

Riven win rate didn't change at all, and is 51% atm

kha is being nerfed and was strong before DD, and doesn't even build it in d1

Yasuo death dance? is that a meme? yasuo win rate also didn't change and yasuo doesn't build it, yasuo after his nerfs has 49% win rate

KoKobotoJun 17, 20172 votes

You're absolutely correct, her Spear of Vengeance theme is only 30% met if you ask me.

Her theme is met in terms of martial poise and rend and sentinel active. She was a high ranking knight king's guard in life so she has martial poise. She calls on spooky spirits who worked with her so she has sentinels. Her victims need to feel revenge and rend is brutal revenge.

Oathworn and her ultimate make absolute ZERO sense. First off you gotta sacrifice your life to Kalista in order to be part of her gang. NO CHAMPIONS IN LEAGUE OF LEGENDS WOULD DO THAT. Lore-wise it would take away from the individual character if they suddenly were just a power of Kalista. Secondly the characters that do want vengeance I imagine would do so on their own terms, they don't want to give up life in order to get vengeance. These characters that want vengeance have their own powers, they wouldn't ask for Kalista.

She takes the spirit soul of her oathsworn, how the hell are they walking around in game? Moreover her ultimate is lame. She gets the spirit to do the damage but the thing is it doesn't actually do damage and it's just a knock up and also the vfx is weird, it's 2D. Also why is she able to call out an oathsworn champion to help fight enemy champions that might not be related to the oathsworn champion at all? Her ultimate shouldn't be the way it is. Even if a champion did agree to Kalista they wouuldn't just be walking around anymore, they wouldn't expload out of her either...

Oathsworn make her stronger in power and she seeks out the vengeance herself. The spirits are like in her mind and ask for vengeance. That is why Kalista has some trouble remembering who she HERSELF is, she has so many different vengeful spirits in her mind. Her oathsworn mechanic and ultimate make absolutely no sense. Also the interaction is unhealthy gameplay wise.

AhristocatsJun 17, 20171 votes

i agreed with everything until you said that the interaction is unhealthy

if it were unhealthy rakan and xayah wouldn't have been released

KoKobotoJun 17, 20171 votes

The reason I say it's an unhealthy mechanic is due to the fact Rito needs to make restrictions on it in order for it to not be exploitative in there eyes. Such as no Kalista Skarner or Kalista Tahm Kench and anything else they think is too much. When you literally have to strike out certain interactions with the ability due to perceived over poweredness I think there's a problem.

Also the ability doesn't make Kalista herself feel that powerful, to Kalista it's just an enhanced Thresh lantern. As an ultimate ability that is kinda lame.

ModKnightsKemplarJun 17, 20171 votes

I honestly still think she's a bit unhealthy, but I wouldn't argue she's OP or needs immediate attention. Her kiting ability, scouting ability, and rend's interaction with epic monsters are my main problems, and I'll go into detail below about why those, in particular, bother me.

I realized, while talking about Yasuo yesterday, that one of my problems with champions in this vein is that they put a TON of counterplay burden on the opposite team. I just fail to enjoy certain champions that are so unique that their mere presence warps the game around them. It's absolutely a matter of opinion, but Kalista is one of those champs for me.

She utterly warps the way the game around epic monsters works, mainly. You have to constantly be aware of them in case Kalista is there (jungler or no). That wouldn't be a problem for many adcs, but Kalista has EXACTLY the kit to make that a horrible experience. First, she has the scouting tools to help her stay especially safe while doing that compared to other adcs; second, she has unparalelled kiting ability, so that the usual counter of "go ham while they are doing the baron" (or drake, or what-have-you) doesn't work as well as for other adcs.

And yeah, I know that "take cc" is the counter to that. But even still, this isn't happening in a vacuum. The fact remains that she has an uncommonly strange set of strengths for an adc. When Kalista is strong, she warps the meta around her more than other adcs can. I'm not saying she makes the game less fun... but she's the least fun adc, imo, solely because of how unique she is.

Again, just my two cents.

AhristocatsJun 17, 20171 votes

first the most obvious thing is "her kiting is unhealthy"

i'm sorry but every single other adcs do the same, which means there aren't any difference

kalista on the other hand, her dash speed is reduced with slows and you can build slow on a lot of items, her dash speed does not scale with movement speed which means she's punished by building movement speed as she would travel the distance faster with a higher ms her passive scales with attack speed, which means she will have less ad and even more less ad because her passive removes 10% of her ad

so her passive has real tradeoffs

as for her entire kit, the only annoying thing i find is her E on epic monsters her spirits are visible in the fog of war and can be killed or dodged

ashe on the other hand, has a no counterplay global reveal which makes her 100% pick/ban in lcs