It's time for another game of "Will it hook?"

Hibeki·Mar 10, 2017·93 votes·5,967 views

Yes you guessed it ladies and gentlemen, its time for another game of "Will it hook?"

Today we have this hook of blitzcrank vs an enemy caitlyn, watch closely, will it hook?

http://imgur.com/TNl3Y9P

83 Comments

HibekiMar 10, 201790 votes

The answer is yes

http://imgur.com/QqP4MvS

Riot patch fucking hooks already im so sick of it

NymzoMar 10, 201724 votes

Fine

But get rif of ap ''supports'' at bot lane

Thanks in advance

P0IS0N IVYMar 10, 20173 votes

Unfortunately, can't happen unless actual supports are insanely buffed or Riot turns all mages into CCless assassins.

Cosmic WarperMar 10, 201732 votes

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Unfortunately, can't happen unless actual supports are insanely buffed or Riot turns all mages into CCless assassins.

or you know, you can nerf base damages of zyra, malz, and brand, increase ap ratios, and actually make AP items give considerable AP amounts instead of packing them with CDR

CryptocurrencyMar 10, 20172 votes

don't forget to nerf spellthief while ur at it

NymzoMar 10, 20174 votes

And cripple 70% of the supports in the process? No thanks

Votable JesterMar 10, 201710 votes

I'm fine with Zyra being made a mid laner again. That's where I've always wanted to play her.

CipseMar 10, 20171 votes

That didn't happen because of the hook's hitbox being big...

It happened because Cait's hitbox is humongous

HibekiMar 11, 20172 votes

No.

Mira Arya EntheMar 11, 20172 votes

Hugh Mungus?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/224/qtz0c2a.png

Supreme Senpai69Mar 11, 20172 votes

The arm should never ever curve like that. It should be 180 degrees every time, give or take a few. This is why I ban Blitzcrank every single game lol. I don't care if he's OP or balanced or whatever, I hate his design and his glitchy ass grabs. One time his hook touched my ADC at max range, went through the Ezreal, and grabbed me who was far behind the Ezreal even behind our tower and I died lol.

YalathanilMar 11, 20172 votes

As someone who plays Blitzcrank as my main support, I feel your pain. In my last game as him, I noticed so many times when the hook should have visually hit but didn't. I haven't seen any blatantly weird hitbox error yet, but man... the bugs in this game... they are everywhere!

HethaleanMar 10, 201735 votes

And people wonder why I hate blitzcrank and despise them just saying "Well just dodge the hook"

YalathanilMar 10, 20177 votes

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And people wonder why I hate blitzcrank and despise them just saying "Well just dodge the hook"

And then you have the times when you obviously clip the player model on the front of the hook, yet somehow it doesn't connect...

TerozuMar 10, 20171 votes

I once missed my Lux Q, it hit a person behind them, snared that person, they ran for about a second, then got snared, glad that was draft race or i might have been reported XD

FireDrizzleMar 10, 201717 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/l3V0D3RzZSeVDKGFa/giphy.gif

Troy242621Mar 10, 201717 votes

Don't let Thresh off the hook, he pulls the same bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzJJr19aj8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG32zL1jd3A

Troll for TrumpMar 10, 20179 votes

Friggin hitboxes for aerial projectiles:

Ezreal Jinx Morgana Lux Karma DrMundo Jayce Jhin Leona LeeSin Leblanc Nidalee Nautilus Thresh Yasuo Amumu

And who can forget these gems: Chogath Warwick Illaoi Fizz

Snake TownMar 10, 20171 votes

Lux That fricken ult man

BladeSingularityMar 10, 20172 votes

Well ... a double rainbow is a phenomenon of optics that displays a spectrum of light due to the sun shining on droplets of moisture in the atmosphere. Does that explain it?

TerozuMar 11, 20171 votes

A phenomenomenon Focus on the tactics, focus on the enemy, focus on the battle!

BladeSingularityMar 13, 20171 votes

Lux Focus on the fight!

TerozuMar 11, 20171 votes

To be fair, hers is SUPPOSED to make you think you dodged it, by starting out small, then getting 6 times bigger, so that's less of "THAT HITBOX OMG" and more "ok yeah im fi- godammit."

TerozuMar 11, 20172 votes

Ashe . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .. |||||| Ashe Arrow: >>>----------|> Ash Arrow Hitbox: |||||| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .. |||||| And yeah fizz was fucking horrible, so glad they removed that mechanic, it was a mistake.

Mira Arya EntheMar 11, 20173 votes

As an Ashe playa can confirm just as many miss that should have hit.

http://i.imgur.com/axTXH.gif

TerozuMar 11, 20172 votes

Ik, I've had an ashe arrow go right thru me before, it than hit the teemo who was in a bush to the right, funny af, but weird.

Darf RakkiMar 10, 20176 votes

you realize that same bullshit hit box helps you when blitz goes for a hook and hits the minion two teemos to the side, right?

HibekiMar 10, 20176 votes

you also realize that 9 time out of ten being hooked results in instant death, and hooking a minion doesn't kill you.

If you miss, you miss, thats fine.

if you hit, wow 300g just lying on the ground!

Papa AndreiMar 10, 20175 votes

Again if peope would do research into how hooking mechanics worked, they would stop bitching and start understanding.

See You At BaronMar 10, 201716 votes

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Again if peope would do research into how hooking mechanics worked, they would stop bitching and start understanding.

No. The Q hitbox is obviously freaking huge and needs to be cut down to like 50% of the size, for both of those supports. Notice how that Thresh hook is pointing AWAY From Caitlin and not toward her. There's absolutely no reason it should have landed. SAme with the Blitz grab

Papa AndreiMar 10, 20174 votes

So many people who are salty and do not understand how circles hitting circles work xD

Boop Daddy Mar 10, 201716 votes

Visual clarity. Getting hit like that is counter-intuitive and frankly, unhealthy gameplay.

Papa AndreiMar 10, 20173 votes

The Circle of the blitz hook barely scraped the circle of Cait, thus it connected. MAGIC. CALL THE WIZARD OF OZ.

RavenMagusMar 10, 201715 votes

They're not complaining about the hook magically moving over to hit Caitlyn (thankfully, the last thread was about that and it was just dumb).

They're just saying the hitbox is far too wide for the animation. It's a legit argument.

Boop Daddy Mar 10, 20172 votes

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Visual clarity. Getting hit like that is counter-intuitive and frankly, unhealthy gameplay.

AnidanMar 10, 20173 votes

The worst thing? That's starting to just sound like meaningless buzzwords to me because those words are constantly thrown out, whether they're applicable or not. Andrew Ryan is right in that it's realistically just an engine thing - basically the difference between hitboxes, model size, and hurtboxes playing out in an isometric top-down game summed up. Doesn't mean that the hooks aren't too wide, but he's not wrong when he points it out. It's like Roadhog's hook in Overwatch: mercifully large so that the character who's built around the mechanic isn't required to have pinpoint aim to be useful with their central mechanic (but unlike Pudge who does need good aim to reliably land his hook). Besides, I think both Thresh's hook and Blitzcrank gain a T-shape at the end of their hook range too, don't they? One could propose its removal and see if that helps, but that still only does anything at the end of the hook range.

Does this mean I think the current hook width is fine in terms of the hitbox displayed by the hand flying out? No, but Andrei isn't wrong even if it isn't what you want to hear, either.

FireDrizzleMar 10, 20174 votes

http://i.imgur.com/G6BAqDa.gif

midnight oil24Mar 10, 20172 votes

I actually work to land hooks with thresh, not relying on the terrible hitboxes. One of the most satisfying moments of my career came when I landed a perfect hook squarely on the enemy jinx, and watched as she was dragged screaming back into my team.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 10, 20174 votes

a perfect hook squarely on the enemy jinx, and watched as she was dragged screaming back into my team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WyH5E8Xs0c

Thresh's theme is oddly fitting for the moments when you hook someone, and everything goes in slow motion while he's dragging you into his team...

This will also play the entire laning phase, in the back of your mind...

FarahadMar 10, 20172 votes

Wow, I hadn't seen that login screen before (joined to late) but it was a whole lot creepier than I expected.

TyrekGoldenspearMar 10, 20172 votes

Yeah, I actually joined when AurelionSol was released. It's just that when I found my first main Azir I looked up his teasers and found his login screen and ended up exploring Riot's entire Youtube profile for login screens and champ teasers.

It's how I found Thresh's.

BladeSingularityMar 10, 20172 votes

WHAT????

You joined around SOL's release?

... I could have sworn you were around sooner.

HAH! I've been around longer (I think the Vel'Koz teaser went live around the time I started) ... I even remember this old thing:

https://www.playonmac.com/images/apps/med/91.jpg

TyrekGoldenspearMar 10, 20171 votes

Nope, I'm a S6 Vet.

Phew. that looks ancient lol.

Century ChildMar 11, 20172 votes

I started playing on Wukong's release patch. I have seen some things.

Billy VoHagenMar 10, 20172 votes

Answer: Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMeivdP90Q

You should at least credit the video where you got it from.

TakitoMar 10, 20171 votes

Except if you really watched the video, you would've seen that the only reason the grab worked is because cait turned back and walked slightly towards it...

HibekiMar 10, 20176 votes

This is literally the exact single frame before she is grabbed.

BladeSingularityMar 10, 20173 votes

The stun is the giveaway. There's already a stun icon there. So she's hit.

TakitoMar 11, 20171 votes

Whatever you guys say, whatever the haters think, i've watched it many time and she clearly walked back right into the grab.

If she kept going the same way i'm pretty sure she would've been okay...

Everyone can have a different opinion, no need to hate :)

Supreme Senpai69Mar 11, 20171 votes

She did walk into the grab. But the grab happened before she could have walked into it. Like, she WOULD have walked into the grab had the grab not glitched and unfairly grabbed her. This might be why it grabbed her, because it knew she was walking towards it? But I doubt it, honestly I've seen it on many other occasions but the hitbox is just glitchy. Like BladeSingularity said, you can see her click towards it and would have been grabbed. However, before she even moved a centimeter in that direction, she had the stun icon on her. It's the purple circle thing. She was stunned before she could walk into it.