So are you guys going to keep coming out with new champs? And then gutting them out of existence?

Succubús GF·Dec 31, 2016·5 votes·568 views

are prime examples of new champions that are just kinda in trashville. You saw taliyah at worlds, gut her out of existence. You said kindred too oppressive, despite graves being a bruiser adc and still existing. Aurelion sol, lets be honest he will pretty much get outclassed frequently. so my question is are you going to gut camille? Because shes fiora 2.0? Or are you going to make a new champion and decide they need to be gutted based on "muh lcs"

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Who is TaliyahDec 31, 20162 votes

Taliyah could use some extra base stats, but she is not gutted to death. The recent rylais nerfs hit her hard, the Q "buff" was rather decent, but she is still totally playable, if you invest enough time to understand and master her.

WoonStruckDec 31, 20162 votes

If they have extremely problematic designs like almost all of the recent champions, yes.

Möral SupportDec 31, 20161 votes

Can I say its not on, "MUH LCS" its on "MUH ESPORTS." but some times things on the PBE don't quite go as planned as there aren't that many people on the PBE compared to live. If there were more people they would know how overlypowered their champions are before they're released. They only "Gut" them because they offered too much for too long. (Except ES, he was actually pretty balanced for his extreme difficulty. Some damage changes were all that was needed) But They need to attempt to bring balance to the game.

Taliyah for example, was VERY VERY oppressive in lane and was very difficult to play against because her ground would go away quickly, and when they nerfed that, she lost her oppression and a LOT of damage output.

Kindred, this champion, my gosh. She's an ADC that has her own peeling system and is VERY effective kiting. She was nerfed for the exact same reason Kal was. She was able to kite continuously and remove any chance of chasing her. The only reason Kindred was taken so low is because she can put her ultimate down and heal/maintain her teammates survival.

Succubús GFDec 31, 20161 votes

What adc cant continuously kite? Vayne sure as hell can. Tumble at max rank is 2 seconds i believe. Which is about the same as kindreds q in their w. Kindreds skill cap was exceptionally high, and still for the most part is in the sense of most adcs. Because most adcs ults' dont make or break a teamfight. Taliyah, sure she was a tad oppressive, but are there not other oppressive mages? If i am not mistaken taliyah is a control mage, or a disruptor, not entirely sure of the difference but in the sense of utility she did her job, Her ult was a game changer, like lissandras ult or like oriannas ult. They did their job in keeping certain champions out of the way.

Möral SupportDec 31, 20161 votes

My fault, I meant to put Vayne in there with them (OH WAIT THEY REFUSE TO GUT THIS PIECE OF SHIT [sorry]). (Sorry had to get that off my chest).

All control mages were nerfed downward (Xerath, Azir, Taliyah, and Viktor).

• You are right though, most ADCS can kite but they did it exceptionally well. Ezreal would be nerfed if all his damage didn't come out of landing a skill shot, versus an auto attack. (Technically he could auto but his escape tool wouldn't come up as fast all the rest of them.)

• Control mages are meant to change games in their own special ways. And Taliyah still does that, she can seperate a team or trap a team. (I don't personally count Lissandra as a control mage because she is more of a one cycle person and then gets out of the fight. Azir is a good example of a control mage because he must remain INSIDE the fight to output any damage. He does not burst well but if he gets 3+ soldier auto attacks, you'll hurt. Lissandra would perform a full rotation of spells and then dodge out of the fight until they're back up.

•Taliyah is a good utility champion because she can either knock champions away, towards, or slow them.

• Kindred was not the most difficult ADC at any time, due to the fact of her ultimate. If she didn't have the ultimate she had, she would not be considered nerf worthy. The hardest ADC should be Vayne, but currently... we see her place (High Risk Pick that gives High Reward.) - To fix Vayne they need to hurt her entirely until post 45 minutes. Teams would need to draw out the game in order for her to be good at at all. (Even lowering her base damage down would be an amazing thing. Make her REALLY low such (Like around 43-50).

DynikusDec 31, 20161 votes

because her ground would go away quickly, and when they nerfed that, she lost her oppression and a LOT of damage output.

???

Removing bonus damage to minions was what basically removed her from the pro scene. She could no longer clear caster minions at level 1, or instantly shove a wave and roam. They never increased the duration of worked ground. At release it was 180, then it was hotfixed to 140. Then after gutting her in 6.18, they reduced it even further to 120 in 6.20

Möral SupportDec 31, 20161 votes

Removing bonus damage to minions was what basically removed her from the pro scene. She could no longer clear caster minions at level 1, or instantly shove a wave and roam.

Yes, but they also made her ground last 30 seconds longer. This really hurt her lane pressure.

DynikusDec 31, 20163 votes

Again, they've never increased the duration of her worked ground. It started at 180 seconds, was reduced to 140, then was further reduced to 120.

The only nerfs she's received were: W cooldown increased by 0/1/2/3/4 E damage reduced by 15% for each additional rock hit Ult CD increased by 20/10/0 seconds 50% bonus damage to minions from Q removed E damage reduced by 10/15/20/25/30