Buffs for doran's ring?

The Bearded Bard·Jul 11, 2017·1 votes·489 views

Doran's Ring isn't the most popular starting item for mages because it's overly good, it's because they have no other option. Yeah, you can start dark seal, but losing out on the early health from Ring isn't the best idea. Boots and you won't be able to keep your mana pool long enough to survive your first back. Corrupting potion runs into the same problem.

I propose lowering it to 350 so mages and dropping the AP to 10 to compensate. that'll allow mages to afford refillable potion or a third pot instead of going with two pots. Another option is adding the 25% potion uptime to doran's that Dark Seal has, but that kind of takes away from Dark Seal.

Whacha think?

19 Comments

Azure DancerJul 11, 20172 votes

I mean it has just been nerfed

GankedByWindowsJul 11, 20172 votes

So you're saying that Doran's Ring is popular because it is better than any other option? And you still want to buff it? It is so good in fact, they just had to nerf it because people were stacking two or even 3 rings because the item was so good, so that throws your "no other option" idea out the window.

The Bearded BardJul 11, 20172 votes

I'm saying it's the best option because it's the only option. Also, people have been stacking rings since the beginning of time, dunno why it's all the sudden a big deal.

GankedByWindowsJul 12, 20172 votes

And I'm saying that it isn't because it is the only option. Even on people's first backs, when they have more gold and thus even more options to get more expensive things, they chose to get more rings over things like blasting wands, tier two boots, or catalyst.

The Bearded BardJul 12, 20171 votes

I'm not talking about stacking it, I'm talking about it as a first item only. People don't stack anymore, they fixed that. It's over, it can afford to be buffed in other ways and people still won't stack it.

GankedByWindowsJul 12, 20171 votes

Why does it need a buff if it is still the go-to first item though? Doesn't that make the other choices that you said were bad even worse relatively?

The Bearded BardJul 13, 20171 votes

The only other choice is Dark Seal.

GankedByWindowsJul 13, 20171 votes

Or boots/pots, boots/refill, amp tome, boots/refill, Corrupting potion, Doran's Shield, dark seal/pots, dark seal/refill

The Bearded BardJul 13, 20171 votes

Boots = no mana = not viable start for mages.

Doran's Shield = No mana = Not viable start for mages.

Amp tome = No mana + only one pot = Possibly the worst start for mages.

Corrupting potion = no mana = not viable start for mages.

You get Doran's Ring or Dark Seal.

GankedByWindowsJul 14, 20171 votes

That just shows you that D ring is still very powerful if you think none of those are options. You're choosing D ring over all those possibilities. Why does it need a buff?

Also, Corrupting potion does give mana. You can also take the Meditation mastery if you want to run a starting item without mana to compensate.

khorneyJul 13, 20171 votes

or frost queens and i can argue it and you really have no leg to stand on with dorans.

AGoods001Jul 11, 20171 votes

That would give ap mids advantage cuz they could use dorans shield n be just as useful if a ad picked shield for first item shield swings bith ways for safe play theyd have to change dorans blade as well tbh i theyd do what ur suggesting which would negate the whole thing

The Bearded BardJul 11, 20171 votes

item 1055 item 1054 item 1036 + max amount of pots are all viable starts for ad

item 1056 and occasionally item 1082 + max pots for mages.

More options or stronger options, but something is needed.

AGoods001Jul 11, 20172 votes

Well ya h can start long sword but u lose health n passives so i mean by that logic u can start amplifying tome n a pot lol u can start boots n 4 pots...they have options is my point

The Bearded BardJul 11, 20171 votes

Long sword is a viable option for Zed and friends because you can get three pots with it. Amp tome you can only get 1. If you could get three pots with it, I'd probably build it first every time.

AfterTheFallJul 11, 20171 votes

They nerfed the mana return on killing a unit to a unique passive bc of top laners. Which completely dicks over mages. Riot just needs to bring mana regen back and get rid of this flat mana bullshit

LyingOnLineJul 12, 20171 votes

Oh noes the most gold-efficient possible starting item is now weaker when stacked, so it must need buffs!

What pure idiocy.

khorneyJul 13, 20171 votes

umm you can get frost queens due to it being better then dorans. cdr 60ap is actually good enough, the peel frost active, the peel from passive, the extra damage via passive for poke. so yah what does dorans have over this? also 3pots vs 2

Its All SkillzzJul 14, 20171 votes

give darkseal 4 mana reutrn on killing a unit and ill take it everytime, its legit the best starting item in terms of gold efficiency if you get 5 kills with it it becomes a 45 ap item for 350g and even dying an losing stacks never really matter.