Combine Redemption with Crucible and 10% heal mastery you have +40% heal on an item at lvl 18 that heals for 490+40% = 686 heal to 5 players + does dmg, for only 2,100 gold item. Unless the heal % are stacked =711? Either way needs to be changed, and if an allie gets spirit visage that 686 will turn into +857 HP. A simple change like +15 HP per lvl instead of +20 would be nice. Healing for 400 at lvl 18 = 560 with 40% heal buffs.
The problem at this point is it's the new Locket where support buys it every game no matter what, Riot made the same problem all over again
Redemption should have never been made.
Its like the new Runic Bulwark item fad.
Funny how people were saying "it's too niche" and "tank supports can never pick it up" when it was first revealed.
It needs more than a little nerf, it has to be hit hard. Remove the minion damage (why the hell is this even on here), raise the cost and weaken the heal, possibly with diminishing returns if there is more than one on the team. It could peobably stand to heal less out of combat but stay the same in combat, I dunno. As a support main I love that we got such a cool item, but it's busted beyond belief right now.
It's broken as fuck and shouldnt be in the game
I think that it just shouldn't do dmg all together it should be a heal only but then balance it around that fact that it only heals. Whether it be increase the heal a tad but get rid of the dmg or something else.
The main issue with redemption is that the other support items are too situational. Locket used to be a great first item rush because it was the most impactful in teamfights. But with the loss of the mr aura, cdr, and the Redemption's release, it's no longer worth buying first item. Same goes for Crucible; I don't think it's a great item unless you need the qss, but people also bought it for its healing. With 20% inc heal and shielding, it's good after locket or redemption. So now redemption is great first item because all of the other support items are not as good for getting first item.
Redemption is really overpowered, but with the state of how few people play support..i dont think a nerf to the role would be very appreciated,.
A little? Every teamfight has boiled down to a diablo stat check fest.
I think even with the active nerfed, it's still gonna be a priority rush because of the generalist stats it has: mana and HP regen, and that you can build it in addition to Frost Queen's Claim, therefore making it very popular on enchanter supports.
Just like pre-nerf locket.
A plausible nerf would be increase cost by ~300g, nerf cast range, in addition to the little nerfs you suggested.
Slightly reduce the heal and augment the cost to 2200 g and the item is fine. The item is overpowered but not broken, slight number changes will make it balanced.
so 711 but sir i got runic armor +
does that mean i heal for 945 now?
Why do people get so tilted about heal? It's so easy countered with items like mortal reminder and executioners sword and morellonomicon all of which have relatively low prices. Plus ignite applies gw . Once these items are bought healers are pretty much destroyed. Plus redemption is pretty hard to land and even if you land it ~700 heal isn't that much for 18 lvl, 2.5 sec wind up and 2 minutes cooldown.
people still build 
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Supports can reach level 18? Omg I didn't know that
