Master Tier Assassin Player confirms unbalance

The Ecdysiast··4 votes·1,040 views

In a misguided attempt to explain how one should fight Zed, a thread was made by a master tier player, showcasing all the reasons why Zed is unbalanced, including that the only way to counter his ultimate is to have the reaction time of a professional.

If you want to stop his farm under tower, there's little option. He explains that Zed will miss a few if you take that time to harass him, but the mechanic that allows him to farm more than he should be able to more than makes up for what your harass would normally do to a melee opponent.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/q8qNw1Es-ok-guys-im-a-master-tier-assassin-player-im-going-to-tell-you-how-to-deal-with-them

Here's the link to his thread. Don't believe me? Read it yourself.

Said player who will remain anonymous until you click the link and see who it is anyway states how to counter Zed, but in doing so he shows you how very limited you are in your options and just how good you have to be to actually counter hi ultimate. You can plainly see why anyone would choose Zed as a main.

This is an analysis of balance based on a thread by a very high-ranking player who refused to discuss balance. If you're not able to understand that, just go comment on the original thread.

30 Comments

Nyhver8 votes

Let me try this

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ya zed's op af

confirmed

& look at the time stamp holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Well we can see why he's overpowered. You want a full list, go ask the player who made the thread-- who specifcally wouldn't talk about balance because he knows the champion has aspects of his kit that remove the intended weakness of assassins.

Edgehy8 votes

This is harassment / calling a player out...

The Ecdysiast2 votes

This isn't harassment. He's called himself out by making the thread, and I posted a link to it. This is a reasonable conclusion based on the points he's made, not harassment or calling a player out.

Edgehy8 votes

You made a thread specifically calling him and his points across when there's already a popular thread with plenty of discussion taking place in it. The topics are the same. Even if we assume you are correct and this isn't harassment, then it's spam.

Lil Mewfeuille6 votes

The way to counter Zed is to know how to play against Zed

The way to counter burst mages is hope they don't do enough damage to kill you

But I guess Zed is the unhealthy one

Elo Thief5 votes

Rofl literally nobody cares. Get a brain and you'll easily beat Zed. "You need god speed reaction speeds" or you know, half a brain cell. Queue a spell as he travels to you in ult, it'll hit him right upon getting to you, it isn't hard.

It's funny when people refuse to take other seriously no matter how much experience they have on anything. Oh well, I guess it's easier to complain.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

It's funny when people harass instead of bringing up valid points, too.

brad4 votes

:)

Best Valor NA4 votes

Thank goodness you literally posted a new thread, to tell us about an already popular thread.

CaptnJakSparrow3 votes

Guess we should all just be Annie mains. The champion with real complex difficulty.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

No champion in this game is difficult. You have to learn how to use them, yes, but the mechanics are never difficult unless they're actually broken in how they function.

CaptnJakSparrow2 votes

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No champion in this game is difficult. You have to learn how to use them, yes, but the mechanics are never difficult unless they're actually broken in how they function.

item 1328 item 3285 summoner 4 Press R. You have mastered Annie.

No really. That's all you need to do.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Press R, you've mastered Zed.

Don't worry about anything else, if you've got a brain you can just dash away from danger.

Zed's not any more difficult than Annie. Anyone who's played another game that isn't just a FPS knows the mechanics of this one aren't the part that makes it challenging.

CaptnJakSparrow2 votes

{quoted}

Press R, you've mastered Zed.

Don't worry about anything else, if you've got a brain you can just dash away from danger.

Zed's not any more difficult than Annie. Anyone who's played another game that isn't just a FPS knows the mechanics of this one aren't the part that makes it challenging.

Alright.

Just because I am bored.

I am going to give you a scenario that I find in my plat 1 games. I will let you describe how you go about this with each champ.

  1. Zed

Enemy team is:

  1. Lissandra summoner 4 summoner 3 item 3157 item 3027 item 3158 item 3285

2.Alistar summoner 3 ((Basic support items.))

  1. Malphite item 3027 item 3110 item 3047 item 3075 summoner 12 summoner 4

4.MasterYi summoner 3 summoner 11 item 3931 item 3140 item 3124 item 3047 item 3742 item 3812

5.Ezreal summoner 4 summoner 7 item 3140 item 3025 item 3042 item 3158 item 3153 item 3053

I want you to describe to me how you approach this as Zed. And how you handle the team fights/ and what your general decision making would be to win this

From laning phase all the way to the 40 minute mark.

Annie

do the same as above.

Please humor us all.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Oh, please do describe the ally team as well.

Since we're assuming the whole enemy team picked to counter Zed, we should be safe to assume that the ally team countered specifically to help Zed/Annie.

CaptnJakSparrow2 votes

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Oh, please do describe the ally team as well.

Since we're assuming the whole enemy team picked to counter Zed, we should be safe to assume that the ally team countered specifically to help Zed/Annie.

Alright.

Irelia Lucian Rumble summoner 11 Blitzcrank

That's your team.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Okay, at this point you're just spamming.

CaptnJakSparrow2 votes

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Okay, at this point you're just spamming.

Nope. That's an actual team comp bro. That's the shit I actually get.

Now go on man. Use your skills and tell me how you go about winning.

Ask anyone plat + what team comps look like lol.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

That is an actual team comp, but you assumed that the entire enemy team picked to counter Zed.

You need to give me a comp to work with that will counter the enemy and help Zed, as well.

In a fair matchup, any Zed who knows how to play the game will win.

CaptnJakSparrow2 votes

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That is an actual team comp, but you assumed that the entire enemy team picked to counter Zed.

You need to give me a comp to work with that will counter the enemy and help Zed, as well.

In a fair matchup, any Zed who knows how to play the game will win.

Oh, I'm sorry.

did you just try and tell me that "you need a fair and balanced match, with a fair "non troll" comp" to tell me how you're going to do things?

You see . . . this is why you're never going to climb, and frankly why a lot of higher up players straight up stop caring about you people.

This is literally the shit you get all the way from plat straight to challenger. These exact team comps.

This is the shit I have to play around, along with Haunt with these exact team comps.

so, I'm sorry. What you call a "joke." And "unfair." Is the shit Haunt has played against to get to Master Tier.

So before you trash talk him. Think about that shit for a moment.

Sona Ping1 votes

This is a game with 4 move characters; Champions aren't complex. I'ld give you the number of moves for characters in other games from the last time someone said this but I can't; I got bored of the exercise after 30-something. The challenge in this game comes from making judgements based on the circumstances of the game; there aren't any characters who are difficult in League.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

EXACTLY THANK YOU.

And hello again friend. Glad to see you're still sane.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Can I add you?

LilxPaprika1 votes

Wut if zed had a tiny cool down on his switch to clone if he uses ult. Like when udyr uses a spell his other spells have a 1 sec delay so he cant spam. Would help force zed to stay a bit before returning. Say 1.4 second. I think the main issue with zed is how strong he is at getting away and buying time with his ult. And then relocating.

Lil Mewfeuille4 votes

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Wut if zed had a tiny cool down on his return to clone if he uses ult. Like when udyr uses a spell his other spells have a 1 sec delay so he cant spam. Would help force zed to stay a bit before returning. Say 1.4 second. I think the main issue with zed is how strong he is at getting away and buying time with his ult. And then relocating.

His ult had a 1 second cooldown on returning and it killed him, so now it's .5

LilxPaprika1 votes

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His ult had a 1 second cooldown on returning and it killed him, so now it's .5

Not what I'm asking for though. I'm asking before returning and just having ulted he gets a cd on his dash spell not on his ultimate. Is use of his ult for defensive purposes is too strong. This wouldn't affect his offensive use as he's supposed to auto/dmg the target after ulting.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

What would make him balanced as an assassin would be if his passive didn't work on minions.

I don't care if he can do the job of a melee assassin by killing targets in seconds; I care that he doesn't pay for it.

LilxPaprika1 votes

Like today as nidalee I had a perfect spear on zed pounced in go to q and he ults. Now when he comes back in I had to aim mouse to him to auto , he of course could place his cursor over me the whole time. When he reappears he got 1 auto off, i go to q him and he dashed away and then his q hit me all along I'm a sitting duck taking damage. Not to mention he bought time for jungled to show and kill me. All I needed this whole time was one q. If he could just hold still a bit I could have just needed fraction of sec.

LilxPaprika1 votes

Or give us some indication of where he will land after he lands from ult so we can prepare where to aim cursor.

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