Playing against her is so obnoxious, i don't think the champion was balanced around 40% cdr
this shield duration with cdr makes it almost 100% up counterplay is to move out of the ball, but her Q has like 1 sec cd and if you jump on her she will redirect the ball on her with E
cooldown increase seems like something that needs to be done
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Cowseed2 votesFor putting Yasuo in their prepare for this comment to be archived at the very bottom of this tread with mass downvotes.
But yes I do agree that Orianna isn't the sole problem and her so called strength is a biproduct of the other things getting nerfed.
Leblancs Boob2 votesProblem about orianna is that her counters are weak as hell. Buff zed/yasuo/talon, nerf morello and zhonias and we will see how well she does.
None of those champs counter ori. Ori is the best mage counterpick into assassins thanks to her shield, resistances, and cc.
DoktorKaiser1 votesShe is the best because she doesnt auto lose. She loses 75% of times. Thats not very good either.
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesLol nope. Before zed has been gutted he had a 55-60% winrate against ori for two seasons. All while being <50% winrate or barely above in general. Yasuo ofc counters ori. His shield blocks the ball. Mobility to dodge everything etc. Talon has superior burst and mobility to which she should be vulnerable. Matter of fact she is a lanebully against anything with lower range while being a lategame carry with insane scalings. Once she has morello she is untouchable. Once she invests 900 gold she can spam all day long.
Carrie Pigeon1 votesI don't think nerfing Morello and Zhonyas because of one problematic champion is a good call as you then indirectly nerf all other champions (Pretty much any mage with mana) that build them.
Rexxiee2 votesProblem about orianna is that her counters are weak as hell. Buff zed/yasuo/talon, nerf morello and zhonias and we will see how well she does.
Ori shits on all of them, she bullies them and if they try to jump on her she shields hershelf gaining health armor and mr, slows them while speeding herself up while doing damage with empowered autos.
Once you get hourglass they cant ever kill you, then you outscale them, nice "counters" you have there, nothing counters ori atm shes stupid strong at every phase of the game and even if she somehow feeds shes useful.
ZapMyHeart3 votesOri shits on all of them, she bullies them and if they try to jump on her she shields hershelf gaining health armor and mr, slows them while speeding herself up while doing damage with empowered autos.
Once you get hourglass they cant ever kill you, then you outscale them, nice "counters" you have there, nothing counters ori atm shes stupid strong at every phase of the game and even if she somehow feeds shes useful.
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is a lot cheaper than Zhonya's. Seeker's is a garbage item.
Best princess EU2 votesit's not 2016 anymore
no ad mid will build hexdrinker except yasuo, the others will build lethality talon zed
the dude is right, ori isn't countered by zed, she isn't countered by yasuo she has armor/mr boost+shield, slow+bonus ms, AA steroid and low cd
she will only lose if she ends up oom after a centuary
ZapMyHeart3 votesit's not 2016 anymore
no ad mid will build hexdrinker except yasuo, the others will build lethality talon zed
the dude is right, ori isn't countered by zed, she isn't countered by yasuo she has armor/mr boost+shield, slow+bonus ms, AA steroid and low cd
she will only lose if she ends up oom after a centuary
Then that's their own fault, no? If they decide to build glasscannon, then they should expect to shatter like one. Simply put, you don't even need to build Hexdrinker in order to even reap the benefits. By spending a mere 450g for MR is more than enough to survive against Ori as an assassin/bruiser. If they don't even bother, then they are bad players to begin with and there is no one else to blame. Also, Edge of Night.
Shield is meh unless you max it first, which means your damage output goes down. Although, it's not going to save you against an assassin if they are even slightly ahead, especially since Lethality is attached to most of their items. Also, Yasuo shreds armor easily, so not like Ori's shield is going to do much.
Slow/MS only affects those standing in the AoE itself and has rapid decay on top of that. Requires good positioning of the ball, by the way. All those 3 mentioned have good mobility to dodge it if they are semi-decent.
AA steroid is the only thing worth noting, but even then, it's only a problem against melees. However, ranged champions dumpster melees in terms of AA anyways, so that point is moot.
Low cooldowns only occur when max CDR or if you max Q first. Both which require either mucho levels or a good amount of gold income. But that is applicable to pretty much anyone in the game. Also, pretty rich to complain about Ori's cooldowns when the 3 champions you mentioned have pretty low cooldowns themselves, especially with max CDR on top of it too.
As for that mana bit, 2 out of those 3 you mentioned are resourceless. Talon's E also doesn't cost any mana either. If you are going to complain that Ori doesn't run out of mana, that's Lost Chapter's issue and not her own, because most mages become spammy after that anyways.
Also, I'm surprised you brought up Ori, when you play Syndra, Ahri, Velkoz, Xerath, Sion, and Vi with high winrates too. Why not make threads stating they are OP and asking for nerfs as well?
DoktorKaiser1 votesIn what fucking division is Ori not countered by Zed, Talon and Yasuo ffs. The fact that she doesnt get absolutely fucked by them like poor Xerath or Lux or Aurelion doesnt mean that she has easy time laning against them in any sence of the word. Explain it to me pls how a fucking movement speed buff will save me from getting 1 shot by a competent Zed or Talon at any point of the game prior to buying Zhonyas?? You do know that if you go for zhonyas as first item you will be very useless all game long because you cant scale untill very late in the game?? You do know that hexdrinker can be bought by any AD champion who has a brain as first item for 2 times less gold than zhonyas and will autowin the lane for them??
Yes Ori is op a little bit currently, maybe even quite a bit, but when you start writing this bullshit instead of listing her actual problems (like non existant mana management since MYMU and the fact that her counters are all nerfed to hell) and make it sound as if she somehow magically counters fucking assassins and is unstoppable with 0 counterplay makes me wonder how much you payed to get boosted to plat...
DoktorKaiser1 votesAre you really that butthurt that you cant play vs Orianna when all you play mid are her hard counters or you actually believe in all the shit you just wrote. I cant really tell...
Maddened King 2 votesNo, do not buff those champions. Fuck that shit, nerf Orianna or leave her alone. I am not in the mood to deal with Assassins. They are not fun to play against ever.
Zero Skill Tank1 votesSo basically, replace 1 mild cancer with 3 of the worst midlane cancers and gut all other mages in the process.
No thanks.
Sassmast3r3 votesthis shield duration with cdr makes it almost 100% up
Hehehehehehehehehe 
Salson2 votesHonestly, she is fine, everything else just got nerfed too hard.
Now 
instawins trades with her shield because no one has enough damage.
For fucks sake they even nerfed 
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Magical Zoe2 votesShe has 0 hard counters in the game. I don't even think
could really counter her either, her cd's are practically non-existant mid/late game.
DoktorKaiser1 votesDont touch the cooldowns, last thing I need is getting higher cooldowns and then after 2 months RIOT removes the CDR saying there is too much of it and leave Ori in the gutter. What you do want to nerf and is a much safer option, is to hit her early game mana costs. Revert the Q mana cost buff, increase mana cost on her E early game and voila problem solved. Also would help if assassins werent trash tier since they counter her like any other mage.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesJust remove her passive resistances. She already has a shield, she doesn't need to mulitply it by itself. Nerf q mana cost or CD and she is fine.
DoktorKaiser1 votesYou cant nerf the Q cd because she cant function without moving the ball all the time. For mana cost I agree. As for the resistances, they arent that high, maybe they should be disabled while her shield is active or while her E is on cooldown or something like that. Dont forget that she is super immobile with no way to hard CC the divers without wasting her ulti which must be spent in teamfight at all costs.