6th version of ryze btw

D357R0Y3R·May 31, 2019·44 votes·14,834 views

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The meme is actually fucking real

61 Comments

PopcornBunniJun 1, 201919 votes

Ah yes, make his already hard to coordinate ult require even more organized team coordination, and reward even more low-lag enviornments to cast spells and maximize his passive, that will surely lower the delta between him being broken in pro play and shitass in recreational.

YaraUwUJun 1, 201910 votes

Its really annoying how much attention this champion gets.

MyrmironMay 31, 20198 votes

They're keeping the 1.5s root lul will still be completely broken in pro play and thus never be allowed anywhere near a 50% winrate in normal play ggez

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 201911 votes

if you use the 1.5 sec root, you lose Q damage

and btw Q has 10 sec cd now

this rework is garbage : W slow +E + Q and you either oneshot a squishy

or sit there and be useless for a while.

Nice

MyrmironMay 31, 20198 votes

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if you use the 1.5 sec root, you lose Q damage

and btw Q has 10 sec cd now

this rework is garbage : W slow +E + Q and you either oneshot a squishy

or sit there and be useless for a while.

Nice

Oh rofl missed the 10s Q cooldown.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 1, 20198 votes

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Oh rofl missed the 10s Q cooldown.

They also removed the Q reset so now the playstyle is completly gone and you do no damage. Good job Riot games/s

XeroKimoJun 1, 20191 votes

With 40% cdr, his highest damage combo now is Q E W E Q E, so late game the trade off doesn't really exists, but for early game definitely, personally, I think Q max is the way to go with this new ryze, even if his E is more spammable, his Q is required for the wave clear as E bounces don't deal damage anymore

SnowbrandJun 1, 20191 votes

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They're keeping the 1.5s root lul will still be completely broken in pro play and thus never be allowed anywhere near a 50% winrate in normal play ggez

Just make it a skillshot already

SaiannaJun 1, 20194 votes

I kinda wish we'd return to the old Ryze 1.0, before this whole "machinegun Ryze". With only change his snare being a skillshot or point and click with some soft-gimmick twist

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20198 votes

Point and click snare is too "iconic".

6 reworks later and it's still there. Hm... 5 kits with the same point and click snare that all didn't meet the mark, totally coincidental.

NodirjonSattarovJun 1, 20191 votes

but point and click irelia dash that can be reset is okay?

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20193 votes

Look, Irelia is an abomination. You can't just target one thing in her kit and say that's the problem.

NodirjonSattarovJun 2, 20191 votes

Weren't you literally targeting one thing that YOU think is the problem? W is not a problem, even if it is a problem it is negligible compared to the other issues in his kit.

Z3SleeperJun 2, 20191 votes

Irelia didn't get reworked 6 times while maintaining her point and click dash, that's why.

There were much bigger issues with pre-rework Irelia.

Now if this was her 6th rework and she still had that same point and click dash while her entire kit went through overhauls then we could maybe draw the logical conclusion that her Q might be the issue.

KidSpectreJun 1, 20193 votes

40% CDR to get Q back down to 6 seconds. Well... I mean, okay I guess. This certainly does give windows of opportunity to fight him.

PopcornBunniJun 1, 20191 votes

Functionally it has a 5s cooldown in that case, since it refreshes on itself. 3s along with other abilities cast.

This also means he's going to be machinegunning point-and-click Es.

EQEWEQE going to be the full combo before he has a window of vulnerability

E (1.4) Q (5 on Q) (0.4 E) E (4 on Q) (1.4 E) W (3 on Q) (0.4 E) (8.6 W) E (2 on Q, which will likely have been spent amidst the previous spells' casttimes) (1.4 on E) (7.6 on W) Q (5 on Q) (0.4 on E) (6.6 on W) E (4 on Q) (1.4 on E) (5.6 on W)

That will leave a ~3s window before he can recast Q or W again

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20191 votes

Q and E both have CD increases with no CD reduction with rank on E this time.

Overall it's still gonna be less frequent than current Ryze.

BakedLotionJun 1, 20191 votes

theres too many delays between spells for the opponent to either walk or dash away. that 0.4 is a lifetime

ThilmerJun 1, 20193 votes

Delete the campion alreasy, for fucks sake.

We can't afford to rework Ryze every season when some champions can spend 3-4 years in the dumpster. With the number of champions in the game, nobody deserves so much atention.

RainbowIceeJun 1, 20191 votes

I don't get this comment about "champions in the dumpster" all it takes is 1 pro to play them and all of the sudden they're meta and people want them nerfed. you just can't use every champion that's okay, doesn't mean some are just so shit they have no redeeming chance. Maybe all they need is a small buff not really a rework. Like what happened with shyvana, she was fine but constant item and base nerf gutted her.

Secretly a PhosJun 1, 20191 votes

Another example is Kindred. They're really weak right now, but it's not an issue with their kit, it's just that they were quite mediocre for a while and the scuttle changes are an indirect nerf to them. Buff their early stats a bit(or base regen from w, because the issue is they need a bit more sustain early, which they originally got from scuttle) and they'll be perfectly fine.

Total ViolationJun 1, 20193 votes

The year is 2058.

Ryze's 78th rework is about to go Live. Tryndamere is still stuck in 2009.

Hayaishi2Jun 1, 20192 votes

If Riot invested their resources in other champions we'd have atleast 4 more champions reworked.

If this was any other champion they'd would gut him and move on (Azir) good ol' Riot playing favorites.

This rework won't solve anything. Wait for the next one next year.

Romans VI XXIIIJun 1, 20192 votes

9th season, 6th Rework of Ryze. we need 3 more reworks, have to average 1 a season.

GaliöMay 31, 20191 votes

And there is another one to test on Monday.

RagnaveilJun 1, 20192 votes

And they might mesh pieces of the two (this one and the monday) to make a finalized kit.

FireDrizzleMay 31, 20191 votes

At this point why don't they just pick a previous iteration?

D357R0Y3RMay 31, 20197 votes

I don't know if you realized, but this rework is literally all iterations in 1

FireDrizzleMay 31, 20191 votes

I dont, I started playing season 6.

D357R0Y3RJun 1, 20195 votes

his passive is his old passive in 2012 his ult passive is his old ult passive his Q has 10 sec cd just like in 2011 before the 2nd rework

Abibyama IIJun 1, 20191 votes

6th time's the charm

3TWarriorJun 1, 20192 votes

the second third time's the charm!

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20191 votes

Hell yeah I like this one. It has counterplay! Woo! No more instant 1.5s point click root, he has to E first now :D

I'm so down. The ult change is nice too especially as someone who plays a champ with no CC for 1v1'ing him only for him to puss out if he's losing.

The shield being on his W also means that if he uses the root the shield is practically worthless vs melee champions who won't even be near him to damage it.

These changes... I like.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 1, 20194 votes

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Hell yeah I like this one. It has counterplay! Woo! No more instant 1.5s point click root, he has to E first now :D

I'm so down. The ult change is nice too especially as someone who plays a champ with no CC for 1v1'ing him only for him to puss out if he's losing.

The shield being on his W also means that if he uses the root the shield is practically worthless vs melee champions who won't even be near him to damage it.

These changes... I like.

These changes dont make him balanced. They make him dogshit tier (and not even because of the W not being instant root)

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20192 votes

Well you see, your boy Ryze has invaded my top lane as yet again another safe ranged lane bully with self-peel hard CC.

We true residents of top lane don't like that.

So he can rot and burn for all I care, as long as he's out of top lane in his current state :)

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 1, 20192 votes

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Well you see, your boy Ryze has invaded my top lane as yet again another safe ranged lane bully with self-peel hard CC.

We true residents of top lane don't like that.

So he can rot and burn for all I care, as long as he's out of top lane in his current state :)

He isnt even a toplaner he is a midlaner. And this shit also kills his midlane. Hard. Its not even about the W (which is what makes him so good on toplane), its mainly cause they removed the Q reset. So his core identity of combo mage is gone as well as the main source of damage

Z3SleeperJun 1, 20191 votes

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He isnt even a toplaner he is a midlaner.

Exactly my point.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 1, 20192 votes

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Exactly my point.

Then why did ALL of his kit get gutted instead of just the W which was the problem with top? legit the only somewhat good thing the rework has is that the E spreads instantly but all the rest makes him garbage

Iota ThetaJun 1, 20191 votes

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He isnt even a toplaner he is a midlaner. And this shit also kills his midlane. Hard. Its not even about the W (which is what makes him so good on toplane), its mainly cause they removed the Q reset. So his core identity of combo mage is gone as well as the main source of damage

Let’s be real, his combo mage identity was becoming a real issue. It’s part of what made him so effective in extremely low ping environments but not as good if you get so much as the slightest lag spike or no coordination. Pros ran rampant with him, meanwhile without the most amazing internet he was hard to play. Yeah, having a learning curve is nice, but his performance was so disparate that the slightest shift in one drastically affected the other.

His combo mage identity and his wide variance in performance are the big factors of why this is coming...again. Hopefully they nail it better so they can also adjust other champs with similar performance variance.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 2, 20191 votes

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Let’s be real, his combo mage identity was becoming a real issue. It’s part of what made him so effective in extremely low ping environments but not as good if you get so much as the slightest lag spike or no coordination. Pros ran rampant with him, meanwhile without the most amazing internet he was hard to play. Yeah, having a learning curve is nice, but his performance was so disparate that the slightest shift in one drastically affected the other.

His combo mage identity and his wide variance in performance are the big factors of why this is coming...again. Hopefully they nail it better so they can also adjust other champs with similar performance variance.

And for that you have to remove everything that his mains liked about him? I dont want Ryze to become another Annie. He was only problematic because of the W and ult mostly. I wouldnt mind so much if they at least brought the Q reset back because that mechanic is what makes Ryze Ryze and his main source of damage. I tested this version on PBE and it sucks ass. You barely do any damage compared to almost every other midlaner if not all. Heck some supports who go full AP do more damage. Im rly hoping the Monday version is waaay better cause this current version on PBE is usless asf and doesnt feel like Ryze at all

Iota ThetaJun 2, 20191 votes

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And for that you have to remove everything that his mains liked about him? I dont want Ryze to become another Annie. He was only problematic because of the W and ult mostly. I wouldnt mind so much if they at least brought the Q reset back because that mechanic is what makes Ryze Ryze and his main source of damage. I tested this version on PBE and it sucks ass. You barely do any damage compared to almost every other midlaner if not all. Heck some supports who go full AP do more damage. Im rly hoping the Monday version is waaay better cause this current version on PBE is usless asf and doesnt feel like Ryze at all

I wouldn’t say that. But this has been a constant thing for Ryze. Sure, there may be an iteration of his combo-mage somewhere that can work, but so far for his past few iterations, it’s been an issue, shown by his strength in pro but how poor he often is in solo, even before he got Realm Warp. Yes, his point-and-click snare has been a problem, but it’s not the only thing that has given him trouble. And the Q reset was one of those “amazing in low ping” mechanics.

In regards to damage, well, he is more of a DPS mage, so I wouldn’t expect the same damage as quickly as most other mages. Probably have to see it compared to whatever target they have in mind for him.

RyzeTheSmurfMageJun 4, 20191 votes

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I wouldn’t say that. But this has been a constant thing for Ryze. Sure, there may be an iteration of his combo-mage somewhere that can work, but so far for his past few iterations, it’s been an issue, shown by his strength in pro but how poor he often is in solo, even before he got Realm Warp. Yes, his point-and-click snare has been a problem, but it’s not the only thing that has given him trouble. And the Q reset was one of those “amazing in low ping” mechanics.

In regards to damage, well, he is more of a DPS mage, so I wouldn’t expect the same damage as quickly as most other mages. Probably have to see it compared to whatever target they have in mind for him.

Ok new changes are waaaay better and he kept his combos Im ok with that

Zeppelins circusJun 1, 20191 votes

Are they really still having he R.

0cean MannJun 1, 20191 votes

Well pulse fire Caitlyn's prediction is true

Bouncemaster ZacJun 1, 20191 votes

@Riot

You literally HAVE to remove either Rune Prison or Ryze's offensive mana scalings for him to ever be a valid Champion. They're the whole reason he keeps ending up like this. Change it.

I PT IJun 1, 20191 votes

Makes me sad because I really like his current abilities (albeit it is really difficult to balance).

I really feel bad for the mains of this champ. I remember how hurtful it was to see Taliyah changed once, however I couldn't imagine how painful it was to see your champ changed completely over 5 times already...

DarkTree1Jun 1, 20191 votes

at first i thought "wow no more point and click root! these are good changes! no more movespeed buff so he no longer autowins against melees top! neat!" and then i read further and procedurally got more confused as to Why