As a ryze main...

Marshbouy·Jul 13, 2016·14 votes·1,156 views

his rework feels incredibly strong. I really think it needs damage nerfs. It at least needs its waveclear toned down.

22 Comments

Void NargacugaJul 13, 20164 votes

Yeah tried him in a custom game myself... MY GOD! That wave clear when you weave 2 Spell Flux into one Overload!

ArakadiaJul 13, 20161 votes

Its pretty good but setting it up takes time. Unless they stand near you its harder against champs.

Itadaki SeiekiJul 13, 20163 votes

If I can triple my CS against a Malphite in the first 16 minutes of a game; the waveclear is really good. Imagine a professional with that kind of power.

It's.. frighting. :T

ArakadiaJul 13, 20161 votes

I think his E should do less damage to minions or something.

QuephaJul 14, 20161 votes

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I think his E should do less damage to minions or something.

maybe his Q only needs to get the crit from spell flux against champions?

ArakadiaJul 14, 20161 votes

That would probably do the trick. I just hope they dont dumpster him.

Crazy ChatterJul 13, 20163 votes

The thing is that the power in his kit transferred from his ult and made the other skills have more passive. His damage is meant to be strong in teamfights where you can burst five people down. However, the new ryze takes a bit more skill because there are so many combos to use and you have to figure out which is the best for the situation. However, the only thing that's a bit op about him is the numbers by a slight bit. If they nerfed them a bit, he would be balanced because right now, he's good at all stages of the game. The only thing you can punish him for is his lack of mobility, so yes, I agree slightly. However, I hope they make the ult channel a bit faster. As it is now, it's quite telegraphed and can be ez to escape from at lv 1. Maybe make it faster at lv 1 and slower at 2.

FlahertyJul 13, 20162 votes

I've seen the exact opposite, his damage is pretty lacking unless the enemy just stands still and lets you hit your combo 4 times in a row, and his ult seems pretty shitty until level 11 when you get the second upgrade. You can use that ult really stupidly and only goes like 6 feet away level 1.

Roit GumsJul 13, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=O Flayherty ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9W9lc1Nb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-13T17:03:08.088+0000)

I've seen the exact opposite, his damage is pretty lacking unless the enemy just stands still and lets you hit your combo 4 times in a row, and his ult seems pretty shitty until level 11 when you get the second upgrade. You can use that ult really stupidly and only goes like 6 feet away level 1.

You must have watched a boosted animal play him

Crazy ChatterJul 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Roit Gums,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9W9lc1Nb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-07-13T17:17:09.459+0000)

You must have watched a boosted animal play him

Nah, not everyone can do the combo right, so he was prob new like everyone was.

FlahertyJul 13, 20161 votes

Or he's not super strong

Crazy ChatterJul 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=O Flayherty ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9W9lc1Nb,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2016-07-13T17:21:32.473+0000)

Or he's not super strong

The thing is, he kinda is. Think of him like a sivir in teamfights that takes a bit more skill, but does so much chain dmg. You can basically treat the enemy team, if they're grouped together, as a wave of minions.

xXxAltaïrrxXxJul 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=O Flayherty ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9W9lc1Nb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-13T17:03:08.088+0000)

I've seen the exact opposite, his damage is pretty lacking unless the enemy just stands still and lets you hit your combo 4 times in a row, and his ult seems pretty shitty until level 11 when you get the second upgrade. You can use that ult really stupidly and only goes like 6 feet away level 1.

This^

LankPantsJul 14, 20162 votes

Got to admit, I didn't think it would release with his waveclear as stupid as it is now. As with just about everything else in the game it feels like waveclear is getting pretty out of hand. There was a time when Anivia and Ziggs had insane waveclear but those guys aren't anywhere near Ryze, Azir, Viktor and Tali.

ParoeJul 14, 20161 votes

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Got to admit, I didn't think it would release with his waveclear as stupid as it is now. As with just about everything else in the game it feels like waveclear is getting pretty out of hand. There was a time when Anivia and Ziggs had insane waveclear but those guys aren't anywhere near Ryze, Azir, Viktor and Tali.

Ryze waveclear is at least three abilities, usually 4 or 6 and going as high as 8. Thats why its allowed; hes using a lot of mana (objectively; his mana pool is still really high) its not like ziggs where its 140 mana to clear the wave with two abilities, or shyvana/garen who does it with just a single ability.

thats the thing, ryze is a battlemage. Hes a very SPAMMY champion designed, specifically, to burn squishies to the ground.

ArakadiaJul 13, 20161 votes

Waveclear is too strong but thats it. Ofc I only played one game of Ryze but we'll see. I think people let Ryze get too close also.

MarshbouyJul 13, 20161 votes

yeah

DGArchitectJul 13, 20161 votes

first game of ryze i built 6 tears and ran it down mid xd

amazinick1213Jul 14, 20161 votes

Shhh

kasfasJul 14, 20161 votes

At least he doesn't have the cancer perma root, and can't build shit tons of mana to do damage.

Lucian WaifuJul 14, 20161 votes

Lately Riot has had new, or remade, champions intentionally overpowered so people can learn them easier and Riot can find the most problematic areas faster. Unless Ryze proves to be weak, Riot will nerf him soon.

MarshbouyJul 14, 20161 votes

makes sense. no one would want to play him if he had shit numbers.