@Riot, Current state of Vladimir, what he is, what he should be

Ahristocats··10 votes·2,266 views

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Vladimir is one of those children that are precious to me due to how unique they are and how impossible it is to find a similar gameplay in other characters/games

Recently he received major buffs and it made me willing to play him in ranked then in normals,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyUktDRD-Fc and it was a succes, i saw today a lot of threads about vladimir. I also had a high elo vladimir main telling me that vladimir was killed by riot but balance wise he's fine at the moment Vladimir has 47% win rate midlane, and 48% win rate toplane and it's GOOD for vlad. Going MR penetration quints+red, then building AP makes him a monster. IMO item 3065 shouldn't be built anymore, vladimir can't afford to build pure tank items, Once you build AP+CDR on him you will see a very noticeable difference

but This thread is not only about how he is right now, but also about what should happen to make him perfect First as an other vladimir main told me, he has some annoying bugs going on. I didn't realise it but his W makes him unable to do anything for a few time while his enemies can hit him and destroy him during this time. (maybe it's intended=?)

Vladimir is a hypercarry. His damages in late game stand with marksmen and other late game champions, while in early game he is the trashest champion in the game. No other early game can compete with that His damage is not only low, but he is slow and squishy his healing has been nerfed a lot against minions his E cd is now 13 sec at rank 1. His only way to survive is his W which has 28 sec cd and costs 20% of his HP, and summoner 3 which is going to be nerfed soon

Thing with vladimir is that he needs to have this early game to be balanced, but this makes him quite frustrating to play because allies expect you to be strong in early game for no reasons and it leads them to not play safe against midlane roaming, start fights before you get items and levels ect.. But it's also frustrating because vladimir becomes unplayable against some toplaner/midlaner, literally the majority of them can kill vlad easily without vlad to be able to do anything

how can this be fixed? Making vladimir able to go botlane [zombie-brand-clap]

Seriously no one thought about this? Vladimir is like a marksmen in disguise. he is ranged, He has a very strong DPS that can match their DPS, he can't lane alone he just can't, Imagine Jinx laning against Renekton ? it's exactly the same with vlad But why can't vladimir go botlane? he's too much XP reliant Unlike marksmen. he can't do anything before both his Q and his E are at rank 5 and it's because of his high cooldown on E before investing a lot of points in it "but rubick, you want to give him an xp passive?" no, i just want him to instead waiting 13 lvls+1 major items +boots , wait like 8 or 9 lvls+2 major items +boots

How? make him maxing E instead of Q first

make Q cd 3 seconds at all ranks reduce Q damage+heal from rank 1 to 4

Thus vladimir can lane in peace with a support without fearing to lack of lvls I don't understand why Mordekaiser was turned to botlane, Vladimir makes much more sense and way easier to do instead of giving him xp passive+drake passive+so much power into spells

but that's just my 4cents

37 Comments

Mira Arya Enthe9 votes

Oh boy, let's make another Mordekaiser problem Yasuo champion by trying to force interject them into bot lane for no reason.

Sorry, but I love Vlad, I have no interest in playing him bot lane. Nor do I want him ending up overloaded or garbage. He is a top/mid laner and that is fine. His main problem is the damage amp his ult gives makes him very strong in LCS so they nerf him in soloQ. Randomly stuffing him into bot lane... why?

Ahristocats5 votes

stay out of this thread please

your posts bring nothing to the discussion, just massive manipulation like "you need an overloaded kit to work botlane" when i just stated above what he needs to work botlane

and you have an interest in playing vlad bot, it's called being able to lane in peace instead of going 0/5 in lane against most of solo laners

Mira Arya Enthe6 votes

You cannot tell people to stay out of a thread, this is a public forum. If you want an echochamber of agreement take it to a private chat.

Ahristocats5 votes

no you can come in this thread, i'm just asking hence the "please" i just wonder what point you can bring to the discussion since you like to ignore what a thread says and post your comments

Fondling Gems3 votes

He has the full right to come into your thread and give feedback. He doesn't like the idea of Vlad in bot lane. He would rather play Vlad in a solo lane. That has everything to do with this thread and is an important point. Just because a champion could function in a different role doesn't mean they should be stuffed into that role if their playerbase has no interest in it. It would be like suddenly balancing Yasuo around being a support just because his general kit works for it with some minor changes.

You can't just ignore how a champions playerbase feels about a set of proposed changes. If anything that is what you should pay the most attention to.

Ahristocats2 votes

I'm talking in an objective view, even woonstruck understood it as a vladimir main unlike mira who talks for her personal interest of playing vlad in solo lane

vladimir is played in solo lane since years, and whenever he can survive in early game he becomes broken, whenever riot nerfs his early with base ms, base hp, or W/E cd his win rate goes straight to 40% HE ISN'T a solo laner

it's like trying to make a marksmen working in sololane it's impossible

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. It would be like suddenly balancing Yasuo around being a support just because his general kit works for it with some minor changes.

because yasuo is closer to supports than hypercarries /s

manipulation, manipulation everywhere

Papa Andrei3 votes

On a scale from Westboro to Cheech and Chong how high are you right now? Yasuo is closer to a mage than a support of all things. He IS a hypercarry, thats it.

Ahristocats2 votes

i wasn't serious LMFAO was only sarcasm mate

Papa Andrei3 votes

Well a wee bit hard to tell over text no?

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

I made my comments on the thread. I heavily dislike reworking Vlad to be a bot laner. I prefer him in solo lanes. That is a perfectly valid statement in relation to your thread. And one I am more than entitled to make, until the time that Riot for any reason revokes my privilege of use on this public board.

Moving along.

WoonStruck8 votes

Vlad could potentially work bot lane because he's ranged and doesn't immediately kill something if he gets on them at any given point like Morde was doing.

Also no cheesy dragon ghost. His ult also doesn't turn the enemy ADC into your ADC.

Its a lot less gimmicky and forced than with Morde.


The biggest issue with Vlad bot lane would be his level progression and how to address that in a healthy manner. Should he still solo lane if he's viable bot? Stuff like that.

Ahristocats3 votes

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The biggest issue with Vlad bot lane would be his level progression and how to address that in a healthy manner.

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But why can't vladimir go botlane? he's too much XP reliant

Best princess EU4 votes

rofl invoker image in a vlad thread

best clickbait ever

Crokinole Ace3 votes

Yeah, Vlad was my first loved character in the game. That was before rework. Now it feels like I am punishing my team by picking him because I feel like I need to have level 6 influence on the map. And Vladdy does not do that. I understand that his ult is powerful, feels great to use and gives him good burst of sustain, but I wonder if changing it to have hard cc would make him more viable.

Ahristocats1 votes

that would be quite op, a hypercarry with an instant AOE hard cc cannot work you're punishing your team by picking vlad because he needs time to work unlike other mages/bruisers

which is why i'm suggesting to make him going bot because he's closer to marksmen than sololaners

doodlebob6662 votes

this would be great but he would need more buffs if he is going to work bot, since he is going to need to deal with more jungle pressure, and is going to need to need his movement speed back

Ahristocats1 votes

yes but if he is bot he can escape ganks better because of his support ie: thresh lantern

Toastersaot1 votes

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yes but if he is bot he can escape ganks better because of his support ie: thresh lantern

Bot lane if I'm dealing with an ADC with a brain, they will just buy item 3123 first or second back and proceed to poke me out with their higher range autos. At least against Mages I can play around the fact that they need to hit skill shots and get me below 35% health to apply GW from item 3165

doodlebob6661 votes

look i want the movespeed back, pisses me off that vlad is as fat as that fat redhead

jaymc11302 votes

What he is: inherently unbalance-able because he scales on HP, the same resource that gates his power. (Same as ryze)

What he should be: Deleted. (Same as ryze)

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Toastersaot1 votes

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What he is: inherently unbalance-able because he scales on HP, the same resource that gates his power. (Same as ryze)

What he should be: Deleted. (Same as ryze)

[slayer-jinx-wink]

I'm a Vladimir's main and IMO both of them could use a new passive, as well as a new passive for Singed . These "Buy one stat to get another stat" end up becoming these really shitty balancing levers. In fact, Vladimir gains the least amount of stats in gold value per level up because of how damn strong his passive is.

Verxint1 votes

I saw a Vladimir Soraka bot lane one time. The heals man, the neverending heals.

WoonStruck1 votes

Tbh he'd work better with Taric, Braum, Lulu, or Morg.

Big Lincoln1 votes

you could probably manage this by doing something that would make him more gold reliant than XP

probably by shifting his damage to ratios? not sure

Would be interesting to see for sure

WoonStruck1 votes

Nah. His biggest issues as far as levels go have to do with CDs, not base numbers.

He relies on his ratios too much as it is.

If you're behind in a game, thus lacking AP, it really shows, even if you hit lvl 9/13.

Big Lincoln1 votes

maybe a way to reduce his CD, then?

like how Lucian E goes down when he uses his passive

Ahristocats1 votes

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His biggest issues as far as levels go have to do with CDs

basically i think they should make his Q cd 3 seconds at all ranks, while reducing the damage/healing of Q in early ranks. this will make E maxing more interesting since it reduces the cd of his E and overall at level 8/9 vladimir will only rely on items

WoonStruck1 votes

Make Q damage/base heal scale with level so there's little incentive to max it. But you'd have to add something to it to make it worth putting points into...at that rate W would be a better 2nd max than Q even. Crimson Rush damage % and MS%/duration?

Otherwise you end up with "abuse" cases top lane vs melees, supposedly. Even if most melees can all-in him at any point before 7 for a free kill.

Ahristocats1 votes

if maxing W over Q 2nd becomes an option it's still midgame so i don't see an issue

if it becomes really an issue then make rush %missing hp healing scale with level, that way in midgame vladimir's damage is still only item dependant while making him max Q second

Toastersaot1 votes

I'm a Vladimir one trick (slowly climbing out of Silver right now, but I am unable to play currently) and I know my opinion doesn't matter but Vladimir has the potential to be good early.

Take Magic Pen reds, AP Glyphs and Quints, Armor or scaling health seals, and go for Thunderlord's Decree. Start item 1082 +3item 2003 , and go try to cheese kill the enemy.

Your E+Empowered Q combo has a 2.11 AP ratio, so if you have enough AP you will be chunking enemies for absurd amounts early game.

Ahristocats1 votes

doesn't solve the issue that you will against laners 2.11 AP ratio is only relevant when the cooldown is low, when you don't die, and when you have a lot of AP. A lot of laners have way better

and thunderlord? pretty sure every vlad mains i saw in master doesn't take it, Zaparapa doesn't at least

Toastersaot1 votes

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doesn't solve the issue that you will against laners 2.11 AP ratio is only relevant when the cooldown is low, when you don't die, and when you have a lot of AP. A lot of laners have way better

and thunderlord? pretty sure every vlad mains i saw in master doesn't take it, Zaparapa doesn't at least

Any way I'm posting this on /r/VladimirMains.

I want their opinion on this.

reaperteaser1 votes

heres a twist, vlad support, he goes relic shield and rushes rylais, with the new keystone for the resolve tree he can keep his adc healed up if they continue attacking

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

His early is not that bad against melee champions without a strong all in. Due to his ranged, cooldown based, and healing based, nature, he absolutely fucks anyone who can't kill him in few trades. Especially with DFT. Every third Q, he's the one zoning you, instead of the other way around. But it never is the other way around unless you can kill him in a single trade, because he can poke with Q's and autos.

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