at least as bad as laning against yasuo
i'm tired of those "impossible to trade against" champions She gets a 20% hp shield on basic attack, has an AA reset that gives bonus MS and can deal true damage later her W heals+slow+deals a decent amount of damage for a spell at rank 1
and of course what's the best out of this?
SHE HAS NO FUCKING MANA COST i swear to god lane against camille and look if her mana bar is moving.
iBubbles2 votesher w even when fed doesn't do a lot of damage at all her shield gives her either a magic resist shield or an armor shield based on you, try doing mixed damage if you are butthurt about the shield the mana cost I agree should go up her q is alright, i meant it's not that great play someone who counters her? just like every other champ people complain about there is always someone who can kick her ass Jax right now is prime against her, tanky, does mixed damage, the blocks and stuns, all around counters her.
D357R0Y3R5 votesyeah that's why camille is a garbage design, she forces hard counters, just like yasuo
you need to do mixed damage (even then the shield choose the highest type of damage you can do and jax does more physical damage) you need to have a knock back for her ulti
if you don't have mixed damage say goodbye at trading against camille her W damage is 60+6% max hp in laning phase, that's A LOT for something at lvl 1
iBubbles2 votesOkay, I have no clue what you are talking about with that knock back shit. And lol, you do realize almost every champ in the game has a direct counter, right? And no not really, it's just mixed damage will help. and her w has a max amount of damage it can do, and really doesn't do a lot of damage at all. and honestly her shield is so small that it's just inconvenient if anything. Sounds like you just need to learn how to dodge her attacks and play aggressively against her.
D357R0Y3R2 votesEvery champions don't fuck you directly if you aren't a direct counter in league history if your champion had a counter that didn't mean your champion was balanced
and you need a knock back else you will die to the enemy jungle
HER SHIELD IS SO SMALL? OMFG 700 hp---> 140 hp shield what the fuck is this shit that lasts for 3 seconds, meanwhile yasuo shield is 100 in early game and lasts 1.5 seconds
iBubbles2 voteslmfao, early game her shield is DEFINITELY NOT 700 hp, im like laughing and confused so much by this. also, i'm not saying she is balanced, i'm just saying you can play against her and win and i told you how (: also also, if you die to enemy jungle because of her ult, that just sounds like a successful gank that you weren't prepared for. it's not that it's op or anything... it's her ult. like... it's an ult... what do you want? also was thinking of another few champs that would be great against her top, teemo and vayne. i have now given you 3 champs that have a good chance at countering her
Sona x Rubick2 votesif she has 700 hp she will have a 140 hp shield, that's basic maths since her shield is 20% of her hp
Abyssphere4 votesYou're really not thinking about her kit properly at all if you think it's comparable to Yasuo in terms of how much it forces counterpicks. Have you just came out of a bad game against her or something? Because you're taking any hyperbolic way to attack her kit and using it, which makes the thread read as salt.
Yasuo's nature as a champion that hard counters and gets hard countered comes from his kit's extreme focus on dodging damage. He has an ability which makes him immune to projectiles, an ability that allows him to dodge skillshots with basically zero cooldown, and an ability that makes it so that if you can only damage him very occasionally (possibly because he's dodging all of your spells!), you do no damage to him. It is these abilities that make him exceptionally strong against certain champions (projectile and skillshot-reliant mages), while being essentially useless against champions who do not care for his defensive tools (point click bruisers, for example).
But where does the binary nature present in Yasuo come into Camille? She does not force mixed damage dealers at all - they are optimal against her shield, but her shield is not such a hard counter to physical and magic damage dealers that they are completely incapable of touching her, as is the case for projectile mages while Windwall is on the field. You do not need to be able to knock her out of her ult either - yeah, instantly ending her ult is ideal, but it's not at all necessary. CC-locking her while she's in it, simply winning the 1v1, stalling using your own defensive abilities (did you know that between Cocoon and Rappel, Elise can stall Camille's ult for 3.6-4 of its 4 seconds?) and letting your allies help you out are all valid strategies. You do NOT automatically lose to her if you cannot knock her out of her ult, nor do you automatically beat her if you can do that. Not at all similar to Yasuo.
Let's look at her abilities:
P: Easier to deal with for people who deal mixed damage, but they are not 100% unaffected by it at all. Pure physical or magic damage champions can counterplay it as they would counterplay any shield, as well as being capable of simply damaging her before she gets to activate it, seeing as it requires landing an auto attack.
Q: No more binary in terms of how effective it is versus certain champions than any fighter tool. DPS + sticking power is standard. Hurts tanks more, but not to any major degree.
W: Better against immobile champions, but most dodgeable abilities + slows are.
E: Better against immobile champions for similar reasons to W. Better against skillshot reliant champions to an extent but is honestly a poor ability for dodging skillshots and obviously has an appreciable cooldown, unlike Yasuo.
R: Makes absolutely sure to be similarly effective against as many champions as possible. Easier for champions with knockbacks to outplay, but tons of other options.
tl;dr your arguments are bad and you should feel bad. Camille is not at all a binary champion in nature and is incomparable to Yasuo in terms of how she interacts with different types of champions. If you can give an example of a type of champion who has basically zero agency against Camille (that isn't similarly lacking in agency against every fighter) and a type of champion that automatically beats her, then I'll reconsider, but for now you're just a person whining about losing to a champion.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votescapslock doesn'T make it stronger than it actually is. Her W deals around 90-100 dmg on level against common toplaners around level 3. That's about the same as any other ability in the game.
ACENOX1 votescamille W deals 60+something like 10 due to her AD ratio+6% of your max hp, that's 60 damage if you have 1000 hp as a bruiser in top lane
tell me again if you find a spell doing 130 damage at rank 1
Sona x Rubick5 votesjax doesn't do mixed damage in laning phase
iBubbles2 voteswut lmfao, he doesn't just randomly become mixed damage later xD it's up to how you build him, but either way yes he is mixed damage lmfao
Ahristocats3 votesjax does 90% physical damage in lane you mongoloid his W is the only source of magic damage and his R is at lvl 6 after 2 attacks
YumaS2Astral1 votesAlthough it is true that Jax's damage is mostly physical during the lane phase, there is no need to insult the guy
Ralanr6 votesJax is kinda weak in the laning phase already.
RavenMagus1 votestry doing mixed damage if you are butthurt about the shield
So that you can guarantee that her shield will always be effective against you all game long no matter who she hits, right?
AttackOnTeemos2 votesIm looking at your match history. but i cant find a single game you fought her with. WHo did you play against her as..
D357R0Y3R2 votesi'm not playing on this account
played against her as 
and 
AttackOnTeemos2 votesi'm not playing on this account
played against her as
Malphite has a shield that basically is same as hers except it's for all damage. So we can dismiss that. Singed is run around all day and literally if she is CATCHING you that's your OWN fault here. I mean I wouldn't mind playing one of those two champs of yours and you play cam lol...I promise you that you wouldn't get the best of me lol.
ReZisT Lust2 votesyou an keep malphs off with autos and such tho
AtheosisX1 votesI'm having a hard time seeing her do much against either of those, assuming equal skill.
Meep Man2 votesMana Costs Q: 25 mana W: 50/55/60/65/70 mana E: 50 mana R: 100 mana
She does have mana costs.
DoktorKaiser2 votesI love how champions lately, especially non mages, have either no mana or pathetically low mana costs. Meanwhile my Galio goes OOM after 3 q...
MissingKayo1 votesGee maybe it's because the latter builds mana and rely on abilities while champions like these rely on actually autoattacking?
djhotbox1 votesNot sure where you're getting no mana cost from, but she is a mana champ, unlike Yas.
D357R0Y3R7 votesthat's because you didn't lane against her
25 mana on Q that she spams like hell 50 on W 50 on E but she doesn't use E a lot in lane
remember when darius Q mana cost was nerfed because his mana wasn't moving at all?
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesHer entire dmg is loaded onto her Q which she is supposed to spam. Yorick has similiar mana costs and his Q is also an AA reset. Why don't u complain about him? Or GP for that matter? Just be honest you are trash, got rekt and now complain how OP she is to farm easy upvotes.
Aptest1 votesjust to be sure,
you're not talking riven yes?
EpicMusic1 votesWAIT SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY MANA COST?? I DIDNT KNOW THAT. THAT'S BS. KAPPS
MissingKayo1 votesOh look, another new champion QQ saltmine.
Surfer Ashe1 votesCamille's all in is pretty oppressive (between the stun, the attack speed steriod and everything about her ultimate), but besides that, she can be outplayed.
Her 2nd Q has only a 1.5second window and you can avoid getting slowed from her W pretty easily. The speedboost on her Q isn't enough to guarantee to stick long enough for the 2nd part of her Q pre-phage.
Saianna1 votesI believe she was made for only 1 purpose only.
To see if Riot can do the Yasuo/Darius level of bullshit without playerbase backlash.
KoKoboto1 votesWith new champs Rito doesn't care about mana costs
MegaV78G871 votesJust play against her as poppy or tamh. They are rarely banned so they should always be available. Naut might work too, as well as... Illoai.... Man I hate illaoi.
Requiemsfire1 votesAs a devout Yasuo hater, no, no she is not.
