Matchmaking or balance is so bad...

option paralysis·Jun 20, 2019·35 votes·13,660 views

I still like the game, when I'm not home I check yt videos for league and I get a big desire to play, but when I get home, it's really hard to press play... knowing someone will probably go 0/10 and have a 2 whole tiers rank difference... I'm just tired of that shit. This is the first year I haven't played ranked and I still can't bring myself to do it since I know most games will be 1v9. Whole lot of champs are braindead easy but broken as fuck, you cant ban them all, and if you dont play broken riot approved champs, the game is a pure coin flip. Whats the point anymore ?

42 Comments

LystratesJun 21, 201913 votes

The discrepancy in skill between players in the same match is ridiculous. Sometimes its to the favor of my team and sometimes its the opposing team. Either way its not enjoyable when there is such gulf of skills.

I just had a series of matches where I played support and it felt that my ADCs were 5 year old toddlers mushing buttons, then, just before that, i had another long streak where my ADCs were consistently amazing and the enemy team had the ADC toddlers.

Either way its not fun. I want to play with people who, for better or worse, are around my skill level.

Is that really too much to ask?

Grouchy PoroJun 21, 20195 votes

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The discrepancy in skill between players in the same match is ridiculous. Sometimes its to the favor of my team and sometimes its the opposing team. Either way its not enjoyable when there is such gulf of skills.

I just had a series of matches where I played support and it felt that my ADCs were 5 year old toddlers mushing buttons, then, just before that, i had another long streak where my ADCs were consistently amazing and the enemy team had the ADC toddlers.

Either way its not fun. I want to play with people who, for better or worse, are around my skill level.

Is that really too much to ask?

I feel like in normal riot removed skbmm

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

It's because of MMR, this number decides matches based off of luck and whether or not you've won a few times. A ranking system like minion masters (yes I know what I just said) is perfect because there's no MMR or secret anything, it's just your rank and rank experience to rank up.

Jaygo41Jun 21, 20198 votes

It's seemingly never been like this. I have no clue what's going on. I queue jungle, bot and mid feed before i can even get my other buff. I queue mid, bot just dies. I queue bot, top and mid lose. It's never been this memorably bad.

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

new burst metas and powerful runes are to blame

JEPjust16Jun 22, 20191 votes

I honestly feel you Riot should fix this system now it is so bs before you climbed based on skill but now its who picks more braindead champs and who gets non-inting teammates.

KnKitsuneJun 21, 20198 votes

Knowing Riot, it'll take the entire season for them to fix it and admit that there is a problem.

Nea104Jun 21, 20197 votes

When one-sided games are the norm, something is very wrong.

When the company owning the game is doing absolutely nothing about it, something is VERY wrong.

The KombinatorJun 21, 20196 votes

Back in the day each game were a 1 hour plan. 10-20 minute qeue, champion banning, picking, loading time, and 40-50 minute game. Today most games are over within 30 minute. In my experience around half of the ranked games are super unbalanced. Meaning, that one team DESTROYS the other team in 25 minute, or less. The thing is, that these matches could be better by simply switching 2 guy from the 2 team. Not even more player required.

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

It's because since season 5 riot have been looking to make games quicker and less time consuming, that's why everything is so bursty and quick now because riot doesn't want a long skillfull game they just want people to pump out matches and become addicted

Exin0Jun 21, 20195 votes

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I still like the game, when I'm not home I check yt videos for league and I get a big desire to play, but when I get home, it's really hard to press play... knowing someone will probably go 0/10 and have a 2 whole tiers rank difference... I'm just tired of that shit. This is the first year I haven't played ranked and I still can't bring myself to do it since I know most games will be 1v9. Whole lot of champs are braindead easy but broken as fuck, you cant ban them all, and if you dont play broken riot approved champs, the game is a pure coin flip. Whats the point anymore ?

Even after tons of posts explaining and defending MM system iam still convinced there are non its just time stamp based first come first serve algorithm. Or MMR doesent work at all and i silver noob have for god know why reason high plat MMR because thats pool of my oponents in 90% of my games.

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

MMR is broken and makes our ranks null and void, it's like a shittier ELO system

HahahahyenaJun 21, 20195 votes

both are terrible matchmaking gives you bots while the enemy team gets people with functioning brains and vise versa balance is just whoever 1 shots the other first wins, who cares about actual strategy just go full ham

riot is just making the game very stale

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

it's a wonder that no one remembers season 5 and how riot said themselves in numerous videos that they were moving towards making the game move quicker and take less time. Riot is just trying it's hardest to remove long skillfull plays and make each fight a short chimpout of who can push buttons the quickest

Exin0Jun 21, 20191 votes

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it's a wonder that no one remembers season 5 and how riot said themselves in numerous videos that they were moving towards making the game move quicker and take less time. Riot is just trying it's hardest to remove long skillfull plays and make each fight a short chimpout of who can push buttons the quickest

Its sad that riot seeks actively remove definig feature of LoL but if they think they can sucess i can only say good luck to find place with old game floating on old school players whos take this game to the top almost decade ago in the today superoversaturated market of mobile twich reflex fast shooting galery dumbed down to insane levels where "IDLE" games are real thing.

JainaProudgurlJun 21, 20195 votes

I whole heartedly agree that matchmaking right now is stupid. Awhile back I invited a friend to play league and he wanted to learn the game, so I gave him some tips and showed him how to use op.gg to lookup builds and matches. A day ago, he messaged me and told me that he's fed up with Riots BS matchmaking and sent me this image: https://gyazo.com/f2e7af6ea60be1df75cacc9d10039ba7

For some reason, even though he was level 28, it decided to match him against a Diamond 2 ADC. Thats just ridiculous, and the ranks in that match don't even balance out, and he brought out a really good point: How are you supposed to play the game when you physically can't enjoy it because your always outmatched. He said he had a game similar to that earlier that day, with the same story; entire team was like plat or diamond and he only had a single plat to "balance" it out.

I also agree that Riot is making the game way too easy, making character needlessly braindead. I remember the days where meta didn't really matter too much and you could get away from it if you chose to do so. Now, I swear every single game I see a Sivir and Yuumi bot lane going 10/0, and its not the only place like that either. In mid, you always have a Zed or Yas that is getting fed to all hell, while top lane is really the only lane where things are bit mixed up, but even there Darius, Renekton, and Nasus just pretty much screw all the other top laners over. I think most of this is due to how much "free" damage riot gives people anymore. I swear that Item Actives / Passives + Ignite + Electrocute / Dark Harvest make up more than 60% of damage dealt to kill me most of the time, which is a bit ludicrous.

Teriyaki BukkakeJun 21, 20193 votes

Well said

Upvoted

FSRERJun 21, 20193 votes

Just give us the ability to reroll teamates! That should fix the problem!

UrarakaJun 21, 20193 votes

The point is to keep players in loop of playing more and more games for climbing and idk why they think that making a fair matchmaking is bad or difficult to do.

NoblewindJun 21, 20193 votes

I feel you. Honestly the game has always been this way ON SOME LEVEL. Like you would never know what you'd get every game and the expectation was this would average out over time.

But lately this is actually ridiculous. Most games you feel pretty powerless to the point where the Average game doesn't offer much fun win or lose. I think they pushed too far in attempting to shorten the game. It's just too easy to open the floodgates so the weakest link loses it for their team.

League has always been an eternal struggle but now it's not even fun in the moment..

PiVoRxJun 21, 20193 votes

The higher your rank, the less likely your team will be dying 1v1 right? Bullshit, everyone in this game thinks hes uber pro and will try to get kills 1v1 and when fails, blames team (jungler mostly).

Whenever im forced a role, mid or top, i either pick Mundo or Ahri, and theres no fucking way i will be dying in my lane, but neither i will win it, but by not dying im giving others a chance to carry the game. So question is, how bad or r%%%%%ed you must be to keep dying 1v1 in your lane?

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

ranked in hightier is an absolute joke

Little Fire GirlJun 21, 20193 votes

These are the 3 types of games:

1-2 people are tilted from losing, and play poorly as if they are 1-2 divisions below (RNG which side gets the tilted Iron maiden)
1-2 people are smurfing, and play effectively 2+ divisions above everyone in that match, carrying that team (RNG which side gets the sparkling smurf)
everyone is actually the same skill level and plays competitively and fairly well (these are the best games that teeter-totter either which way and can last upwards 45-50 minutes, whereas the other two can last between 15 to 25)

SarlonDubiousJun 21, 20192 votes

Yeah, it's def getting harder for me to just queue up for a game now. Just don't have the same drive to play as I used to in S4-S5. I know it's not game fatigue because I still enjoy the game when I'm playing with my friends but playing alone just feels lame now. t. Amumu

mack9112Jun 21, 20192 votes

You play normals dude.

Play ranked if you want matchmaking that uses your rank.

I never understand these posts.

JainaProudgurlJun 21, 20193 votes

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You play normals dude.

Play ranked if you want matchmaking that uses your rank.

I never understand these posts.

Actually, norms are supposed to use your MMR as well, but with a lot of leeway. The way its supposed to work is to make sure that the game MMR (and by extension, average rank) of the game is about the same on both teams. Instead, we're getting lopsided games where one side is bronze - gold and the other is all plat and diamond, which is why people are annoyed. People wouldn't be so cross if the matchmaking would actually make sure both teams get people of similar skill levels to the opposing team, albeit in different areas.

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

ranked is just as broken as norms

mack9112Jun 21, 20191 votes

Not at all I don’t see diamonds in my gold matches

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

that's cus diamonds are 2% of the LoL population, when I (im plat1) queue up for norms I see bronze silver and gold borders.

mack9112Jun 21, 20191 votes

Norms does not use your rank to match make it uses its own mmr system.

This has been discussed to death. Like I said previously play ranked if you want even matches based on rank.

Jeanne fan clubJun 21, 20192 votes

70% of my games my team is down 10 kills at 10 minutes, I just cant seem to roll good teammates

SaezioJun 21, 20192 votes

2 whole tiers rank difference?

Are you sure? So like, plat 1 with silver 1 in the same game?

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

he said tiers not divisions, he clearly means a gold 4 on his team against a gold 2 on the other team

SaezioJun 21, 20191 votes

Division is silver 3 for example Tier is gold for example. proof you need to delete your comment And also, gold 2 and gold 4 are pretty much the same skill level I don't see a reason someone would cry about that.

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

well someone could be a terrible silver that is barely holding their gold4 status and the gold 2 could be a player whos climbing hard to get into plat

also i didnt see how he used tiers because im tired in the middle of the day

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20192 votes

Just play dota or albion online or even mechwarrior online

Dota rewards skill and itemization over picks and meta strats but is significantly harder than LoL

Albion online is a kind of grind fest but is a nice calming and fun game that is like runescape but playable

and mechwarrior online is realistic gundam fights the game

SaezioJun 21, 20191 votes

significantly harder than lol?

And how did you measure that? APM? How do you define which is harder? Are the champions harder to play? You need to have faster fingers? How?

Would someone in top 5% of lol players be lower percentile in DoTA automatically?

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

its harder because theres more you have to take care of, half of all items have actives and such so you'd have to keep track of all of that along with your hero's stuff, jungling is harder until you get the ball rolling and as such is rarely done atleast in standard games, the map is bigger and the jungle is a true jungle with destroyable trees and secret paths, etc.

Someone in the top 5% of LoL would be lower in dota for sure, and until they get used to dota they'd be just above average in dota. LoL to dota is what megablokz is to legos, Megablokz is super basic and has much less depth and allows for less creativity and stuff, and Legos while being the same thing has more freedom allowed in it, rewards skillfull building and use of blocks, and is more rewarding if you can do something good with it.

It's not ultra hard but an average lol player hopping into dota for the first few months is going to be dumpstered even if the lol player was a gold level player

SaezioJun 21, 20191 votes

I didn't mean while getting adjusted to the game.

I mean like, If I am diamond in LoL, and then I stop lol and play dota for the same amount of time, would I not be diamond?

Are mechanics harder or just game knowledge and decision making? Cause I have a friend that is really high elo in DoTA 2, (i don't remember what it's called but he is top 5% or something) and the game and fights seemed awfully long to me.

The games are different and lol is becoming less and less decision making and more and more like a huge zerg. But I always feel like dota doesn't need such good reflexes/prediction/mechanics as league does. (granted that is simply by watching, I never played the game myself, well except once or twice in 2005 but that was dota1 and I had no idea what I was doing)

rtbf247626423Jun 21, 20191 votes

you will still be diamond in lol, everything in dota is different and is harder not just because it's different but because of how much you are able to do in dota, dota is slower requires you to pick your fights and know what you're doing, lol is just reflexes and spam shit and hope you picked the better everything. The average dota player is a chimp but interms of gameplay knowledge and decision making he is a bit better than the average lol player

SaezioJun 21, 20191 votes

You see, for me strategy decision making and macro are the easiest part of the game because I was raidleading and coming up with strategies to win in raids that were done by none at the time for years. The hardest thing for me is mechanics and reflexes.

So I really think it comes down to what each person is good at. Everyone will find a different thing harder.

JEPjust16Jun 22, 20191 votes

We should all sign a petition to get Riot to fix the ranking system. I did some posts earlier to fix the ranking system and to fix champions https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/h2b2xjH1-should-riot-revert-what-league-used-be-like-in-season-5 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/9F75iZJu-should-riot-games-fix-the-ranking-system-and-how I know it looks like I am advertising but honestly Riot has made the ranking system to where if you are in low elo you stay in low elo and not only that the meta is "pick the most broken champs in the game and you win" which is so stupid. Riot NEEDS TO FIX THIS.