When you go onto Surrender@20 and see this

Çhåryzård··9 votes·1,406 views

"Meddler mentioned likely nerfs or changes to Varus and Edge of Night."

Good. I am glad.

Who would've thought an item with MR, damage, a spellshield, lethality, and out of combat movement speed on an adc is op.

The way I see it, adc's should have to pick between building defensively and risking the lower damage for survivability, and building damage but risking vulnerability. They shouldn't get both damage (some of which does more damage depending on TARGET LEVEL, so rip anyone squishy), defenses, and a free shield every 30 seconds in one item.

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BALDG1VEN BOOMER3 votes

Why change Varus?

EndlessSorcerer6 votes

He's had his time in the spotlight.

/s

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

what about jihn?

he is been 51% or higher since release and his scaling is busted

Çhåryzård3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Emez7Kz,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-21T15:27:33.990+0000)

what about jihn?

he is been 51% or higher since release and his scaling is busted

I've been wondering about Jhin nerfs for a while, he's been really strong for too long.

It wasn't really specified if Varus is receiving general changes or direct nerfs but I really hope that Riot turns their attention to Jhin next.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

like i havent played jihn cuz i just didnt care for the concept of the champ even though ive owned him for a while .. for shit n giggles last night i went to a custom game... i took a full lethality rune page +24 lethality , and i built the trio of item 3147 item 3814 item 3142 and for shits i added a item 3031 with no ad runes... and only building 255 ad from items and his natural base /scaling ad i had over 500 ad plus the 24+15+15+20 lethality for a total of 64 lethality

his scaling is busted... i get it ... he has the ammo system build into his kit and something that was new to me ... but after a few mins of playing around with it i understood how to use it... but call me crazy to think he might need a tweak or two

right now if i have bans i am banning jayce and jihn over all other champs...

woodvsmurph1 votes

Jhin is made to kill squishy carries -- not tanks. This holds true even with lethality build unless he is way ahead of the curve from getting fed early and mid game. We are in a meta full of squishy carries in every role. Thus jhin looks really amazing right now. When your toplane bruisers are going full lethality, jhin should wreck them better than most adc's because they have no armor after lethality applies (due to building full lethality on their bruiser). And jhin basically get's to see them the same way he normally see's a support nami -- a squishy enemy who quickly loses enough hp to take execute level bonus damage from his auto's and abilities.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

well ok but his scaling is still busted... and its busted enough to kill tanks/bruisers

his range is like an ad Xerath ult

and he has had a win rate over 51% since before patch 6.23 so its been that way for a while... when he went to old armor pen build then that got gutted for a min then he can be just as effective with crit build... and now with lethality ... regardess of the adc meta in bot lane he is viable ... and usually have a higher then average win rate ... that has to say something about his balance being slightly over tweaked

woodvsmurph1 votes

Agreed he is viable with both crit and armor pen/lethality - no argument there. He has a harder time than other adc's killing tanks though unless teammates can get them low hp so his bonus damage kicks in. And as I'm sure I have said, he is made stronger by mage supports in the bot lane -- another squishy (usually disengage) champion who likely cannot lock him down without taking tons of damage when closing the gap. Whenever I see a jhin, I'm locking Leona and making him dance if he doesn't want to get chain cc'd and bursted by my adc. She really makes immobile adc's lives hell. Even more than Thresh Nautilus Taric Braum because she can engage THROUGH minion waves and zyra plants or malz voidlings trying to block enemy cc.

Çhåryzård2 votes

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Why change Varus?

He's really strong right now, not sure if it's because of buffs (if they gave him any) or because of lethality but I see Varuses pretty much build all lethality items first, and that combined with his poke is making him really strong.

He's the second highest picked adc besides Jhin, and to be honest Jhin really needs some work too. Both him and Varus are probably the strongest adc's right now and the lethality is part of the problem.

Tribbles Foxfolk3 votes

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He's really strong right now, not sure if it's because of buffs (if they gave him any) or because of lethality but I see Varuses pretty much build all lethality items first, and that combined with his poke is making him really strong.

He's the second highest picked adc besides Jhin, and to be honest Jhin really needs some work too. Both him and Varus are probably the strongest adc's right now and the lethality is part of the problem.

Varus is really only strong because of Lethality. Why don't we re-nerf Lethality first before taking a cleaver to Varus?

Çhåryzård1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Emez7Kz,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-02-21T18:19:19.771+0000)

Varus is really only strong because of Lethality. Why don't we re-nerf Lethality first before taking a cleaver to Varus?

Tbh that's what I thought most of the problem was. He didn't become an issue until lethality came in.

In my opinion though, lethality could've been an ok thing but I think Riot went the wrong direction with it, because now it's making some people way too strong.

Jhin was already too strong before lethality and this just made him worse. I think he needs to be nerfed much more than Varus does, but fixing lethality would solve a good chunk of the problem.

ForgiveColour2 votes

Yet when mages have them its totally fine rylai being the most cancerous item for a whole year

paisy1 votes

To be fair, no one really built the item until they buffed the active. So they just need to revert the buff.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

watch them actually gut Varus but leave Jhin with his piddly little nerf to his ult slow that literally changes nothing

Çhåryzård1 votes

[{quoted}](name=THE RlVER KlNG,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9Emez7Kz,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-21T23:33:23.083+0000)

watch them actually gut Varus but leave Jhin with his piddly little nerf to his ult slow that literally changes nothing

Varus as a champ is fine but the lethality items are what is making him so strong.

But Jhin has been really strong since his release and nothing has been done about it...the lethality just makes it worse..

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