I have no desire to play Ahri anymore

Drunk Rummate·Jan 29, 2015·12 votes·1,500 views

Don't get me wrong, she's still fun to play. BUT, She used to be unique, and now she's just another generic kiting mage like so many other champions.

The amplification on her charm, her identity as an assassin, that's what made me enjoy playing Ahri. When I wanted to play a kite/teamfight mage, I picked Orianna and Azir. Those picks already existed in abundance. Ahri fit a particular niche that I really enjoyed on occasion, but she's lost that feeling entirely.

I don't understand why Riot wants to homogenize every champion into the same generic archetype. I really feel they should have left her the same way.

24 Comments

TakazakiJan 29, 201510 votes

generic kiting mage like so many other champions.

She use to be land charm press DFG and delete whom ever was touched. now that was generic of a mage

Nucleophilic atkJan 29, 20154 votes

Exactly. People are so mad that they have to land 2 orbs to kill a champ instead of just one....

SEKAIJan 29, 20159 votes

How is one shot when land a cc mage or assassin unique?

Because she has 3 extra dashes? That's not unique either because Akali.

So what was unique about her? Err 9 tails and hmmm, her choice of clothing? Oh wait that's not either.

We certainly have a LOT of mobile ASSASSINS in the game, what about mobile MAGES? Oh, we have Ahri and... oh hehe nice question beats me, Oh I know, Lulu! Haha nailed it.

Kite mage is not unique? I think otherwise personally.

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20151 votes

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SEKAIJan 29, 20153 votes

How is having 3 dashes not mobile enough, Lee is too mobile so don't ever base off the standards on the likes of him, or Zed or whoever is like that.

Most champ have 1 mobility which act as either engage or disengage, and a lot actually has none if you don't count summoner's.

She is more mobile than Akali, since Akali needs an enemy target to perform her dash, Ahri doesn't have that restriction.

Having 3 dashes is already more than enough, if you still can't utilise all the advantages you have then it's your fault, considering the amount of people playing 1 dash or no dash champions fine and cool. Please don't be one of those "Lee/whatever fotm meta mains".

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20151 votes

My point is she has to use her dashes just to kite safely wich comepletly kills the point of kiting. What other kiting mage has to use their ult to kite? None my point is ahri has no range to kite and not enough mobility to kite safely.

SEKAIJan 29, 20151 votes

That's why I said, there is actually nearly no kiting mages in this game if you think about it.

All we get is mobile assassins running people's faces in with high burst and mobility. Kite mages is almost null, except prob Lulu and Lissandra are all I can think off atm.

Using dashes to kite is, well, a natural thing. You are not playing Kalista who kites from AA, you kite from reposition spells which in Ahri's case it's her dashes that helps her engage/disengage/reposition, then is her early weak? Hmm not sure but at least she has homing missiles and a sorta big range on Q so that ain't too shabby, shouldn't be too rough on the edges.

My point is, she doesn't lack mobility, that's it. And the ability to kite is restricted by the amount of cc or the amount of reposition you own, which she has 3 dashes and 1 hard cc. All in all, she true isn't the best thing ever, but that doesn't mean she's weak imho.

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20151 votes

Imnot sure you know what kiting is. It means dealing damage while taking none. Basically poking. Xerath, lux ziggs, syndra, all kiting mages. Who unlike ahri kite. They all have huge range or a ton of cc some both. Ahri lacks both range and cc. This was fine on assassin ahri becuase she had damage and enough mobility to do the job. But kiting takes cc or range and she has none. I understand that's supposed to be the point of ahri though. She's supposed be to able to do it with mobility instead of range or cc. It just doesn't happen that way

Linna ExcelJan 29, 20151 votes

How is having 3 dashes not mobile enough

When you are at half health and getting chased down by a manaless champ with infinite dashes and a stun...

SEKAIJan 29, 20151 votes

That description only has 1 example, Riven.

I agree getting chased by say Lee, Riven, J4 or whatever is stupid as hell but that doesn't mean she is at fault for having a bad kit.

DrCyanideJan 29, 20153 votes

Stop, stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Go back and read the patch notes, specifically about her Q.

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20151 votes

Her Q is Laning phase only. It helps her escape when going in to kite but the fact that she has to go in puts her at a huge disadvantage.

Sailor MintJan 29, 20154 votes

Her win rate jumped from 52% to 57%.

It must be effective enough.

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20151 votes

Yeah cuz she's basically ungankable now and poking her in lane is harder . Her landing phase was made stronger but her kiting in team fights and scuffles is still terrible.

AnonymousZaoJan 29, 20154 votes

Looks like it's time for me to make my RIP Ahri youtube montage. :/

FebruAhriJan 29, 20153 votes

Leblanc actually did more damage without DFG than ahri did WITH dfg, she will have no problems instakilling you

KasaraJan 29, 20152 votes

I completely agree with this. It's like when they took away LeBlanc and Talon's silences. Then they take away DFG. (Don't mind that one as much because it was not fun being one shotted by LeBlanc). She's really fast now, Ahri, because of her Q, but getting rid of DFG AND Ahri's e damage is too much.

DanofDemaciaJan 29, 20152 votes

Leblanc is still great even without dfg she's gonna 1 hit almost everyone.

Drunk RummateJan 29, 20152 votes

I'm not trying to say she's bad now, she may or may not be. Honestly she seems fairly strong. I just feel like she lost her unique feel and niche is all, and there are other champions who I feel contribute more in a kite/mage sense than she does.

Knight SoIaire Jan 29, 20151 votes

you just dont like her playstyle man she is more unique than she was before you just like her assasination pattern it seems to me

stealthfox94Jan 29, 20152 votes

Thing is the damage amp was added in S3 as an excuse to gut all of her damage.

Knight SoIaire Jan 29, 20151 votes

She used to be unique, and now she's just another generic kiting mage like so many other champions.

besides the fact that kiting mages are rare

we have guys like xerath and ziggs who are siege mages spamming poke and aoe till infinity

we have viktor and syndra type guys who just carry this insane dmg yet have lower range

we have oriana and tf who represent the utility mage class

zyra and azir who wield sustained damage yet still arent best for exact kiting

if we actualy check what kind of mages do we exactly have we have none that revolwes around kiting, its either burst, poke, sustained magic dmg or cc, nobody gets to actualy kite (lisandra comes close because she has that slow, but she has more cc than everything else in her kit and easily drains mana)

i just opened champions tab in my client and im looking at every mage, none of those kits besides actual ahri spells kiting to me

she is underwhelming atm but she is more unique than she was

TheUltimateSpearJan 29, 20151 votes

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Power wise, there may need to be some adjustments, even though she feels pretty damn good. But uniqueness? Who besides Ahri was an exceptional kiting mage, which is what she was intended to be on release? Let me see.... Ahri Cassiopeia Karma Lissandra Lulu . These champs are truly the only ones that have kiting as an elevated part of their kits. (Not counting karma before her rework, but with the tether she had it before, so she still might've applied.)

Blow someone up after landing your spell/cc? Ahri Annie Fizz Katarina Leblanc Malzahar Syndra Veigar Viktor . I might have missed a few on both ends but even so the latter category stil has significantly more champs in them.

Personally for me she's more fun now. But that's not the case for everyone, and I can understand that. But she's more unique and closer to what she was supposed to always be. Maybe the next patch with a new item 1058 item can make an assassin build better again. I hope for the people who like to play her as an assassin, but we'll see. And if they have to buff her damage, well, even if it's primarily AOE it still would aid her single target.