Swain: Ranged. Jax: Melee

FalconPawwwwnch·May 27, 2016·6 votes·1,233 views

Swain: 90 Health/level Jax: 85 Health/level

Swain: 55% win rate Jax: 45% win rate

21 Comments

TrickMagnetMay 27, 20165 votes

nah dawg favoritism to ranged champions isn't a real thing or something, just go to lane with four dorans shields you're good

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 27, 20162 votes

swain: picked specifically to counter something jax: picked as a general toplane choice

swain: higher than average winrate cuz picked in situations where he will almost definitely win lane jax: picked regardless of who else might be picked.

venomous frostMay 27, 20165 votes

except he's currently picked nowhere cuz everybody counters him

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 27, 20162 votes

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except he's currently picked nowhere cuz everybody counters him

swain doesnt

YCitizenSnipsYMay 28, 20166 votes

That moment when you realize that Jax has a lower pick rate in the top lane as well as a lower win rate and you don't know what your are talking about.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 28, 20162 votes

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That moment when you realize that Jax has a lower pick rate in the top lane as well as a lower win rate and you don't know what your are talking about.

what are you even responding to.

Also that doesnt actually mean anything in the current context

YCitizenSnipsYMay 28, 20162 votes

So Swain is more of a niche pick then Jax with a higher pick rate? How does that even make sense?

"swain: higher than average winrate cuz picked in situations where he will almost definitely win lane"

http://www.champion.gg/champion/Swain/Top You mean all of them?

And how exactly are Jax players managing to pick him in the top lane more carelessly then Swain when right now he isn't even picked as often as Swain? If anything Jax players need even more reason than Swain players right now to justify him being taken top.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 28, 20161 votes

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So Swain is more of a niche pick then Jax with a higher pick rate? How does that even make sense?

I said counterpick, not niche pick.

"swain: higher than average winrate cuz picked in situations where he will almost definitely win lane"

correct

http://www.champion.gg/champion/Swain/Top You mean all of them?

that link does not support your claim, it also claims that swain loses to jax in around 50-51% of games since it was mentioned before.

But ya look at him and jax's matches while youre at it, notice how jax has so many more games against champs that counter him while swain has less than 150 against some of his counters some of which seem to actually be midlane champs or lane swappers.

And how exactly are Jax players managing to pick him in the top lane more carelessly then Swain when right now he isn't even picked as often as Swain? If anything Jax players need even more reason than Swain players right now to justify him being taken top.

that would mean that swain counters something popular. Seeing as how he's strong against some of the more popular toplaners from the last big tournaments I can see why he'd be a popular counterpick in toplane just like he's been for the past 4 years or so

YCitizenSnipsYMay 28, 20161 votes

Swain gets picked into anything top lane and hold a 50% win rate in just about all of them, he isn't being used as a counter pick. Just another ranged AP champion that gets a free lane in the top lane.

The link absolutely supports my claim, Swain's "worst" match up he hold a 47% win rate in. Jax's is 38%. This means that Swain can be comfortably picked into any top laner right now, not just counter picks. The same can't be said for Jax.Also the games played argument doesn't even hold weight when Jax has more match ups under 150 games played and still has worse win rates in them then swain does.

Mandang0May 27, 20162 votes

Wow an extra half ruby crystal at level 18! Those health/level differences are SUPER important!!

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 27, 20163 votes

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Wow an extra half ruby crystal at level 18! Those health/level differences are SUPER important!!

for someone who's kiting you and regaining hp constantly it can be.

Mandang0May 27, 20162 votes

I'm willing to bet the reason Swain's at 55% winrate isn't that 5 HP/level, nor is it why Jax is at 45%.

Change either champ's HP/level and they'll still be right where they currently are, and you'll have this same thread a week from now, only it'll be some other reason...

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 27, 20163 votes

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I'm willing to bet the reason Swain's at 55% winrate isn't that 5 HP/level, nor is it why Jax is at 45%.

Change either champ's HP/level and they'll still be right where they currently are, and you'll have this same thread a week from now, only it'll be some other reason...

maybe, but the standard IS to trim the fat when this happens though and swains damage is at a pretty good place right now.

though comparing him to jax is kindof random. Jax isnt even countered by swain

Mandang0May 27, 20163 votes

On PBE, Riot's nerfing the heal on Swain's ult, which seems like the appropriate change. Honestly, base stats and stat growth would just be wasting a patch's balance change.

And for what it's worth, that seems like a very hard matchup for the Jax.

Mr FirmJun 1, 20161 votes

hes a melee into a ranged, its never good unless the ranged is like brand new, just hit lvl30. His heal is pretty gross. I was a FED TEEMO, he came to top 0/0/0 and shut me down, even with ignite, his combo+the heal is just way to much to deal with. did 1,500 dot damage in little of 2 seconds, even with MR

YCitizenSnipsYMay 28, 20162 votes

And yet the exact same type of thread comparing Zed and Shen's base stats have over 150 upvotes. Ah this boards circle jerking at its finest.

Mandang0May 28, 20161 votes

Big difference between Zed having 40 more HP at level 1 when champs have <600 HP total & a 5 HP/level difference that takes 8 levels to create that large of an HP difference, at which point the difference is proportionally smaller compared to each champ's total HP.

Hell, a lot of lanes are decided before you'd hit that level 8, and I think it's hardly important to note a 90 HP difference at level 18 when everyone has 2000 HP base.

And cmon, picking Swain for comparison is going to make everyone look like they need a buff. This is cherry-picking at it's finest right here.

WoonStruckMay 28, 20161 votes

Jax's HP/lvl was also gutted simply because he was in competitive play.

All they needed to do was move MR/armor out of his base stats and into his R active, so he's only significantly tanky during his ult, as opposed to beefy without, tank with like before.