Archangel's and Xayah nerfs on PBE

AirKingNeo·Apr 10, 2018·7 votes·3,192 views

God fucking bless. Now that Xayah can't spam waveclear after 1300 gold, can we stop her from taking out half someone's HP with R+E, by maybe reducing the Crit Ratio on her E? The ability already has really good CC.

58 Comments

AzadetheApr 11, 20183 votes

Wtf? 1% Archangels? That makes it at most a fin 80 AP item, even after charged up...... WTF in the world are they thinking?

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20183 votes

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Wtf? 1% Archangels? That makes it at most a fin 80 AP item, even after charged up...... WTF in the world are they thinking?

Thats what im saying but people dont understand xD

Step Sis LissApr 11, 20182 votes

Yee, and seeing that riot gave buffs for assasins who are using duskblade, ap champions should getting buffs too. But no, lets buff rengar who already can oneshot you from r witch 50 sec cd on ult.

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20183 votes

why would ap champions need buffs when mages have been holding mid lane for 2 years now?

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20183 votes

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why would ap champions need buffs when mages have been holding mid lane for 2 years now?

Yes, especially when on lcs we see galio or sion mid

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

Sion mid once.

Galio is an anti-mage... So yeah, a counter to mages might be popular when MAGES ARE META.

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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Sion mid once.

Galio is an anti-mage... So yeah, a counter to mages might be popular when MAGES ARE META.

nice MAGES ARE META when typical mages like lux xerath ziggs viktor or taliya are under 50 win rate

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

meanwhile taliyah, ryze, cassiopeia, orianna, and azir are meta... also wasn't xerath played in pro play a month ago?

Why would Viktor, Ziggs, or Lux be viable? Viktor was nerfed out of viability. Ziggs was never viable. Lux will never be viable because her kit has too much counterplay.

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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meanwhile taliyah, ryze, cassiopeia, orianna, and azir are meta... also wasn't xerath played in pro play a month ago?

Why would Viktor, Ziggs, or Lux be viable? Viktor was nerfed out of viability. Ziggs was never viable. Lux will never be viable because her kit has too much counterplay.

ZIGGS WAS NEVER VIABLE and thats my point, maybe make him viable instead of nerfing his core item

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

No, your point was 'mages aren't meta'.

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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No, your point was 'mages aren't meta'.

Cuz they are not lol, tell me when u saw last time ap top jungle or support

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

What do top, jungle, and support have to do with mid lane?

Step Sis LuxApr 11, 20182 votes

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What do top, jungle, and support have to do with mid lane?

Are u even reading this? I said they are picking tanks instead of normal mages on midlane, and u said MAGES are meta so i answered to this sentence

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

No, they're picking an anti-mage named Galio. Because he's mid lane Gnar.

AzadetheApr 11, 20181 votes

Except they haven't? Season 7 was Mid Akali Zed Yasuo Talon Gangplank Corki

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

Yasuo mid hasn't been viable in years.

Akali has been top lane since the assassin update.

Corki was viable for like 1 patch, and then hard nerfed.

GP wasn't viability competitively.

Talon was a low elo cheese in plat.

Zed hasn't been viable since the assassin update.

Step Sis LissApr 11, 20182 votes

XDD im dying

First of all u're in gold V so how could u seen Talon in plat? xDD Gp is seen at the midlane since runes rework and he's still able and work preety well vs mages based on cc. Akali has 65% playrate at the top lane and 35% at the midlane so no, she is't only a top lane champion. The same thing with yasuo - 56% playrate at the midlane, 44% at the toplane so he's more like midlane champion. Corki was viable for like 1 patch? XD He was broken in many patches, and he's still strong now but less seen. Zed hasn't been viable since the assassin update? WTF? Are u serious? He has one of the biggest banrate for saveral years, because he was always played.

AirKingNeoApr 12, 20181 votes

by comparing diamond+ stats to platinum+ stats.

Akali has 65% playrate at the top lane and 35% at the midlane so no, she is't only a top lane champion.

In platinum+...

Zed hasn't been viable since the assassin update? WTF? Are u serious? He has one of the biggest banrate for saveral years, because he was always played.

but no one plays zed in diamond+

SwiftKitten88Apr 11, 20182 votes

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why would ap champions need buffs when mages have been holding mid lane for 2 years now?

Are you ACTUALLY an idiot??? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

of course your going to bloody see more ap mid laners than ad mid laner THERE ARE ONLY LIKE 3 AD MID LANERS Zed Talon Yasuo every other ad mid lane goes there as an alternate role because they just happen to be so damn strong they can.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

and there are ZERO other lanes these champs can go into

about 80% of AP mid laner them would have ZERO lane to go to if they weren't mid lane [sg-zephyr]

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

Yasuo is a top laner, not mid. Jayce is also a mid laner. Corki?

Zed and Talon can only mid lane.

so why mages the only viable mid laners?

SpecterVonBarenApr 11, 20181 votes

I saw someone suggest they might just be making this change to the version that isn't fully charged and that it might be that you get the 3% mana once it's fully stacked.

Umery1Apr 11, 20182 votes

the change is apparently only to archangels not its transformation

Step Sis LuxApr 10, 20182 votes

Xayah dmg nerfed TO MINIONS? thats why we needed (wtf why minions not champions?xDD) And archangel nerf is funny, lets nerf everything for ap champions and buff asasins and everything else

SalronApr 10, 20189 votes

Mages aren't weak and assassins are not good

Step Sis LuxApr 10, 20183 votes

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Mages aren't weak and assassins are not good

Mages arent weak, said yasuo and gp main xdd

SalronApr 10, 20188 votes

You know someone doesn't have an argument when they resort to ad hominem

Pathetic

AirKingNeoApr 10, 20185 votes

because mages are broken?

Hey infinite waveclear is fun, balanced, and interesting, RIGHT?

Step Sis LuxApr 10, 20182 votes

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because mages are broken?

Hey infinite waveclear is fun, balanced, and interesting, RIGHT?

infinite waveclear? u mean talon w or zed q?

AirKingNeoApr 10, 20184 votes

talon has infinite mana? Zed's Q clears the wave super fast at early levels and isn't reduced against secondary targets?

Step Sis LuxApr 10, 20182 votes

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talon has infinite mana? Zed's Q clears the wave super fast at early levels and isn't reduced against secondary targets?

He doesnt need mana when he clears whole wave with one ability, and wtf u even talking about, they nerfed ap from archangel not mana

CynikulApr 11, 20183 votes

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He doesnt need mana when he clears whole wave with one ability, and wtf u even talking about, they nerfed ap from archangel not mana

Woah woah woah, your talon can clear an entire wave with one ability? Holy shit, I gotta see that.

No, but seriously, at what level of talon /items are you clearing the wave with one Rake?

saltranApr 11, 20182 votes

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Woah woah woah, your talon can clear an entire wave with one ability? Holy shit, I gotta see that.

No, but seriously, at what level of talon /items are you clearing the wave with one Rake?

To be fair I watch my brother playing Talon and once he has a few ad he can clear the 3 mage mininos with just W, I should check exactly at what ad+w rank he can do it because I'm not sure.

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

Who? Because neither of them do or else they'd be picked, but they aren't.

Dark NephthysApr 10, 20185 votes

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because mages are broken?

Hey infinite waveclear is fun, balanced, and interesting, RIGHT?

Considering ADCs can actually have true infinite wave clear with item 3087 item 3085 and clear faster than most mages without wasting CDs, Mana or have to deal with immunities like item 3060 .

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20183 votes

compare 1100 gold for infinite waveclear to 2600 gold

also banner can only be bought by galio out of mid laners

Dark NephthysApr 11, 20183 votes

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compare 1100 gold for infinite waveclear to 2600 gold

also banner can only be bought by galio out of mid laners

you're right my bad, I forgot that item 3802 alone has enough CDR and Mana to make all spells cost nothing and have no CDs, also makes all mages able to aoe all the minions with said spells.

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

lol let's give our infinite mana item that has damage some cdr too!

Dark NephthysApr 11, 20181 votes

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lol let's give our infinite mana item that has damage some cdr too!

Let's give our 2 waveclear ADC items that has crit some attack speed too!

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes

1100 gold vs 2600 gold

:thinking:

Dark NephthysApr 11, 20181 votes

1100 gold for some mana, CDR and AP but is still limited to what the champion you are playing when it comes to wave clear, as not all mages can clear a minion wave with just that (And some still can't with 1 full AP item). Meanwhile either of those 2 adc items allow most ADC able to clear waves with just a few auto attacks, which still doesn't count any of those ADCs abilities.

I only brought crit and attack speed up because of the mention of Mana/Damage/CDR in your post which obviously would be what mages need to waveclear, which all 3 of them are in 1 item...Which I'll agree could be argued to be a little strong when on 1 small component item. But even having all of that doesn't make mages have infinite wave clear. That depends on which mage you are referring to, which some have really high mana cost or high CDs that even with Lost Chapter (or even AA-staff) won't fix until way later on in the game.

However, Stattik and Hurricane give Attack speed and Crit in 1 item with a passive that allows them to clear waves better. So even if the adc you are playing has terrible wave clear potential, they can still easily clear waves with one or both of those items if they really wanted to. Sure most ADCs wouldn't build Hurricane but a lot of those ADCs would still build Shiv. While it's been nerfed, its still a strong way to wave clear minions.

And even if mages get the better deal with "infinite waveclear" (which we don't) because our item is cheaper, it's still not as bad as ADCs getting a massive advantage with grevious wounds of item 3165 3000g compared to item 3123 800g.

saltranApr 11, 20181 votes

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Considering ADCs can actually have true infinite wave clear with and clear faster than most mages without wasting CDs, Mana or have to deal with immunities like .

And that's why they just nerfed the extra dmg to mininos from Shyv a patch ago, not complaining: it was fair imo.

Malix FarwinApr 11, 20181 votes

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And that's why they just nerfed the extra dmg to mininos from Shyv a patch ago, not complaining: it was fair imo.

no it was nerfed because people were stacking zeal items hard.

Step Sis LissApr 10, 20181 votes

U say something about balance? Ok, lets see. Zed, Rengar, Yasuo - they dont have mana so they have the REAL INFINITY WAVECLEAR and this is not balanced. No longer talking about they mobility and dmg, what is stupid and no, mages aren't broken. Its so unfair when riot doing everything to buff assasins and they totally forgot about champions who aren't very good right now like liss, syndra, elise or karma. And if i have to be honest, ad champions > ap champions. Its just too many counters for mages, a lot of them are based on stuns, silences, snares etc. and enemies like zed or talon with mercury's treads and hexdrinker are just unkillable by mages.

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20183 votes

high cooldowns and lower AoE damage, mana is irrelevant at 1100 gold.

Might wanna apply reality first.

Step Sis LissApr 11, 20183 votes

Hight cooldowns? You kidding right? Zed ultimate at lvl 16 with 40% cdr (yoummu, duskblade, blackclever) and ultimate hat goes to flat 30secs. Same yasuo and others assasins, so please don't be funny. Mana is irrelevant at 1100 gold? Have you ever played someone who is ap? Say nothing about kata ofc. cause you probably played her (she's assasin without mana so she is perfect for you) and i can't see the difference with aoe damage from ap and ad champions, because she does not exist. Btw. assasins shouldn't have so many aoe skills of whom they can poke easly, but fine you're definitely smarter than me you know more about this game cause u're gold V xdd

AirKingNeoApr 11, 20181 votes