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So how is AP Eve bursting you from stealth more "healthy" than pre-nerf Rengar?

metaworldpeace10·7/12/2017, 8:35:41 PM·2 votes·450 views

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Honest question. Currently AP Eve bursts harder, faster and escapes MUCH better than Rengar. Much can be said about Twitch as well. His assassination is also much more reliable than current Rengar. It's so frustrating to play a game where there is little to nothing I can do in order to avoid get butt rammed by stealth characters that I have little to no hope of seeing to be able to react accordingly.

The stealth "fixes" for the assassin update have no made assassins who use stealth more "healthy" instead its eliminated the necessary counterplay to be able to reliably react in time to avoid the assassination. In current Rengar's case, he's been nerfed into oblivion that he really has a hard time assassinating anyone.

So it begs the question. Why can and burst from stealth, with little to no reaction time and in Twitch's case, from 800 range in an aoe, but champions like are nerfed into the ground for being "unhealthy"?

edit: Sorry forgot to include champions with "true stealth" or w/e the word is, this doesn't include the in combat stealths that and have

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Kloqdq7/12/2017, 8:48:09 PM2 votes

Well a couple of things.

First Eve is getting reworked because she isn't healthy, so mentioning her is somewhat pointless at this point.

Second, Twitch is an odd case. His always been like this but because of the crit buff and NAMELY THE SUPPORT ITEMS, Twitch has found a really good strong-hold in the meta. He has more counterplay nowadays because of his stealth but the items around him need some touch-ups with him getting a tad big of a nerf. He has always been a bit of a late game hyper carry as well so his late game damage makes sense. Not saying he doesn't need some attention, just that his not as broken as I think everyone places him.

Now Rengar is unhealthy because of a couple of reasons. First was his ability to just empower W and run away with no counterplay. That was very silly when it was out and it didn't really offer much chance to at least kill the bugger when he did get catch. Secondly, his Booth Tooth just stacking AD is not good. Basically it just makes him super snowball and he gets free stats. Now as for the big reason he has always been a problem is his ult often offers little in the way of counterplay.

Rengar's ult primary had two problems. The first one was with the old kit which let him one-shot people basically during the leap, with no time to interact with it. Just look up a rengar 1 shot montage and you'll see it. The new issue is mainly on the crit he gets from ult. Basically, it keeps the one shot he can do with his old kit, but is far less skillful. This all jumps to the heart of the problem, Rengar isn't giving his enemies any ability to interact with him, so they have to nerf him to the ground.

That's why Rengar should technically be more of a diver rather than an assassin, because as an assassin he will always be busted. Plus his kit is more suited towards the "Diver" class rather than assassin.

Zelorxon7/12/2017, 8:40:15 PM1 votes

Bro, eve requires a fucking miracle to clear the jungle decently, at the point that unless you play her at diamond+ level you can't farm. AND, you need to snowball to be somewhat effective.

If you managed to let eve become relevant you might have bigger problems to take care of than an eve oneshotting people.

Cloud2737/12/2017, 8:40:40 PM1 votes

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Honest question. Currently AP Eve bursts harder, faster and escapes MUCH better than Rengar. Much can be said about Twitch as well. His assassination is also much more reliable than current Rengar. It's so frustrating to play a game where there is little to nothing I can do in order to avoid get butt rammed by stealth characters that I have little to no hope of seeing to be able to react accordingly.

The stealth "fixes" for the assassin update have no made assassins who use stealth more "healthy" instead its eliminated the necessary counterplay to be able to reliably react in time to avoid the assassination. In current Rengar's case, he's been nerfed into oblivion that he really has a hard time assassinating anyone.

So it begs the question. Why can and burst from stealth, with little to no reaction time and in Twitch's case, from 800 range in an aoe, but champions like are nerfed into the ground for being "unhealthy"?

edit: Sorry forgot to include champions with "true stealth" or w/e the word is, this doesn't include the in combat stealths that and have

Because Evelynn doesn't have a free QSS in her kit. Also, Evelynn isn't manaless, so she can't just afk farm in the jungle all day like Rengar can.

Dehitay7/12/2017, 8:47:06 PM1 votes

I'm ok with the burst since she's an assassin, but it's kind of stupid that it's practically impossible to ward against her. You need pink wards at every entrance. And even if enough of your team contributes to make that happen, they're easily destroyed by laning opponents as they ward.

amazinick12137/12/2017, 9:18:31 PM1 votes

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BabyNaix7/12/2017, 9:19:54 PM1 votes

Eve is very squishy and has no cc and has to get into near melee range plus her clear is not healthy. You can counter her by invading and grouping in a team fight. She is in a weird stop where she wants to hit a lot of enemies with her ult, but she is too squishy to initiate. She can't 1 shot someone unless she build full glass cannon with runic echo and lich bane, meaning she has to snowball to be useful.