Ah yes the "There is no AD Bias"

Succubús GF·May 30, 2018·2 votes·815 views

Hm. Let's just think about how garbage ap junglers became... meanwhile theyre giving ads some new items to hit harder and also have gave ad champions 3 items in the jungle, meanwhile they gave aps lost chapter. Which wouldnt benefit anybody. Diana has mana restore in her kit, nidalee doesnt really need it and elise sure as hell doesnt need it. And neither does eve. In fact it was basically a nerf considering how costly it is. But no no. Graves is ina fine spot and everything is just.. fine [sg-lulu]

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Critmaster GarenMay 30, 20188 votes

those new items are fighter items. where is the problem?

if you group ad fighters, assassins, skirmishers and marksmen together, you also have to group mages, ap fighters, supports and tanks together.

by that standart, ap champs get new items all the time. last time before the big mage item rework, when they changed support itemization.

you see how that doesnt work?

if youre generalizing ad vs. ap, then of course ad champions will always have more items, simply because ad champions are more diverse.

Step Sis LuxMay 30, 20181 votes

Ap champs get new items all the time? K Shurelia is Support item abused by vlad/singed, and with item rework they gave only SpellBinder which as we can see is trash on 90% champs

Critmaster GarenMay 30, 20186 votes

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Ap champs get new items all the time? K Shurelia is Support item abused by vlad/singed, and with item rework they gave only SpellBinder which as we can see is trash on 90% champs

last time i checked, vlad and singed were ap champions. so by op's logic, ap got a new item recently. whats there to complain about?

Step Sis LuxMay 30, 20181 votes

Did u even read this? Shurelia is SUPPORT item abused by vlad and singed, when u see gp with coin u gonna say coin is ad item? no

Critmaster GarenMay 30, 20185 votes

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Did u even read this? Shurelia is SUPPORT item abused by vlad and singed, when u see gp with coin u gonna say coin is ad item? no

supports are ap champs, so ap still got a new item.

this is what happens when you just clump all ap champs and all ad champs together, completely disregarding their role.

Step Sis LuxMay 30, 20181 votes

if thresh leona taric braum are ap champions for u then k, supports are ap champs

FOR JUSTICEMay 30, 20182 votes

They deal primarily AP damage, so yes they ar technically AP. Just they only ever build tank for obvious reasons.

AirKingNeoMay 30, 20182 votes

also abused by Ryze, Cassiopeia, utility jungle Ekko (if that's even viable now).

RekSai CoffeeCoMay 30, 20181 votes

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last time i checked, vlad and singed were ap champions. so by op's logic, ap got a new item recently. whats there to complain about?

Maybe because this is a topic involving Jungle and last I checked we don't see a whole lot of singed/vlad jungle.

Sona PingMay 30, 20181 votes

"Fighters are AD. AD bias confirmed!" (and queue eyeroll)

But hey, off topic, did you see this?

8.9 was mages, 8.10 saw changes to the jungle; this time around we're swinging into bot lane!

They actually think these are for marksmen.

Critmaster GarenMay 30, 20181 votes

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"Fighters are AD. AD bias confirmed!" (and queue eyeroll)

But hey, off topic, did you see this?

They actually think these are for marksmen.

yea, i dont really get what the point of this "ad" vs. "ap" is supposed be be.

theyre adding fighter items, to increase the item diversity of divers and juggernauts a bit. on the other end, theyre reducing marksmens ability to burst down other squishies and push out their power spikes, so fighters and mages have a bit more time to influence the game.

Sona PingMay 30, 20181 votes

It's just another false issue around here made up to justify whatever they want. "I play champion with this attribute, I lose to these champions with this attribute, some champions with that got nerfed/buffed, ergo, it's not me it's bias against my champion"

Yeah, but it looks like they don't think they are doing that.

Stormrazor Marksman itemization is pretty focus on marksmen who want to stand still and basic attack. With Stormrazor, we're introducing an item for marksmen with longer pauses between attacks, whether they're kiting or just have long attack cooldowns

ADCs don't do that! You don't refuse to autoattack for three seconds when kiting, that's not kiting, and there's only one place where "marksmen" stand still and just basic attack each other.

If someone says "Doesn't attack for a significant time and then goes in for guaranteed critical strike", you don't make me think that's what an ADC does, you make think of champs that have or had abilities that did that Rengar . Like you said, these are designs more for fighters and what not, but it doesn't sound like they see that.