I want Volibear to be the fighter Aatrox never was

Moody P··18 votes·10,066 views

Remember before Aatrox released that people took his theme and speculated that he'd be a fighter who could inspire allies and would have some vaguely support-like quality? Some kind of war hero/leader deal with a buff or an aura?

That idea never came to be, sadly, but I think we have a second chance with a champion who, post-retcon, is just as viable a contender for the role. Volibear being an actual war god, with his own personal army and who's currently lacking much if any unique qualities to his kit. Just one ability that's put on to buff allies would be amazingly perfect for him. The idea came to me this morning and it's the first possibility I've mulled over that got me excited for what he could be.

You might think it's a very big leap from his current kit, and weird for a Volibear enthusiast to want something so different, but I'd like to justify why I think he'd be a perfect fit for the idea:

  • It's cool

  • It'd be thematically consistent; given that Volibear is a warmonger, being able to bolster his allies in the thick of a fight makes sense. It makes even more sense that he's a demigod, and given that the Seal Sister in-lore gives sailors her blessing for safe passage, Volibear being able to bless his followers isn't too much of a stretch. No disconnect from his fantasy!

  • If done correctly and isn't a super-general "raise damage" or "boost all defense" then it'd give Volibear a potent niche to slot himself into on top of whatever the rest of his kit could do. The top priority for Voli rework should be giving him a distinct identity in the game.

  • Volibear is needing some unique spells to give him a good calling card. There's nothing that really points to Volibear being Volibear and not just being a worse version of another champion. The "leak," as much as I doubt its sincerity, has me worried that he'll be another "more of the same" Juggernaut like we've seen from the last three Yorick Urgot Aatrox

Thanks for reading. I hope you like the idea as much as I do.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/8/88/Volibear_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20170922005138

26 Comments

Saevum6 votes

How can Voli be the better fighter if Aatrox never was one to begin with according to title?

Also, Voli needs a Belt and Pants. For decency.

Moody P8 votes

Aatrox back before the original kit released got a lot of people excited over speculation that he'd be a "fighter support" as in being able to supply some kind of buff or aura to his teammates while doing normal fighter things. It was kind of a letdown that instead he ended up being a very standard fighter who could orbwalk like an ADC during his ult.

I brought it up because I'd like the idea at least partially revisited because buffs are a sorely underused tool in LOL, but it's also good clickbait

DarkTree16 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8lZzfzhp,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-31T20:07:58.973+0000)

  • it's cool

sold

Lil Spoon4 votes

Please no, im a volibear main and i like how he is, you are thinking about a melee sona, just build zekes harbringer, righteous glory and your problem is solved

Moody P1 votes

Having one ability that can buff allies doesn't make you a support

Lil Spoon1 votes

As one of my highest wjnrate junglers in high plat low diamond elo i can say that He provides a total lockdown, and does not need any changes, just play sona or make a new champion,

chipndip13 votes

Here's the thing: Why would a fighter have supportive qualities like allied buffs? Allied synergy is one thing, but you don't use a fighter to buff other people.

Moody P1 votes

Idunno, ask Jarvan

Cats Are Food2 votes

While it would be cool, most people think along these lines:

"Fighter do damage. Fighter stronk. Fighter take big weapon and smash." ~Anonymous Barbarian, 1100ish AD

Moody P2 votes

Makes me think LOL is the only game some people have played lol

Cats Are Food1 votes

Eh, a lot of them are young. Teens and 20somethings.

You realize at age 20 this game showed up when they were 11?

Moody P2 votes

I don't play a lot of games but AFAIK there's MMO/DnD "fighter" equivalents who can buff allies. I know DOTA has a ton of bruiser-like carries and semi-carries that can buff, I'm pretty sure DnD has paladins who are like fighter/cleric hybrids

It's so weird to me that any time I suggest a few champions to have it in LOL I get so much pushback.

Cats Are Food1 votes

Paladins, Cavaliers, Blackguards, Crusader, Standard Bearer

All have party buffs and support skills while, truly, being focused on beating someone's ass.

Even the Shadow Knight of Everquest… a half necromancer bastard of darkness, poison and death, had buffs that benefitted his party.

For Volibear I was thinking more something like the WoW War Cry

Moody P1 votes

I had in mind something that'd be more niche focused like armor+HP regen. Makes him a solid pick vs AD opponents but isn't too all-rounded; his natural inclination towards being generally beefy should (in theory) already keep him decent on his own vs mages

BigFBear1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8lZzfzhp,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-01T15:13:57.558+0000)

I don't play a lot of games but AFAIK there's MMO/DnD "fighter" equivalents who can buff allies. I know DOTA has a ton of bruiser-like carries and semi-carries that can buff, I'm pretty sure DnD has paladins who are like fighter/cleric hybrids

It's so weird to me that any time I suggest a few champions to have it in LOL I get so much pushback.

I play DnD and what you say is right. There are fighters who can support their team like Battle Master or Paladin and more. But if I have to compare Voli with a class in DnD I would say Barbarian. Tons of HP and tons of DMG (there even is a bear-totem barbarian subclass). They run into enemy's pull all the attention on them and create chaos right between them while tanking a good amount of DMG because of their high HP. Exactly like Volibear. Supporting is not their thing (at least not the standard barbarian).

Better make a new Champion as Fighter/Juggernaut-Support instead of changing Voli to something he never was.

LordGeovanni2 votes

Id rather not see any more champions like Taric who have their spells gimped because they are seen as part of some one else's kit strength like how tanks and fighters eat nerfs when ever adcs and mages blow you up instantly

Hammermancer2 votes

{quoted}

Id rather not see any more champions like Taric who have their spells gimped because they are seen as part of some one else's kit strength like how tanks and fighters eat nerfs when ever adcs and mages blow you up instantly

Gimped? He's only weak in top lane because of conqueror as a rune directly countering him

like

he has to stay slapping someone for long enough for it to proc

LordGeovanni1 votes

If that was the case Taric would just take conqourer himself. Hes gimped because he lost massive healing in his rework for potiential to heal 5 champions at the same time and lost damage for a shield and invunrability with a massive wind up on the invunrability that people can just kite out during the invunrability. I wasnt even meaning top but as a champion even if its in the support position. Tarics's new passive is also literally splitting his old passive cooldown and damage to take more time for 2 swings and saying look you we gave you a pretty swing animation. I also used to do this thing where Old blood stone taric was a pretty good new armor and New blood stone taric is a slightly changed for the most part chroma. Your E can multi hit so we are gonna nerf your E to be lower than old max range E instead of keeping the closer you get more damge it does mechanic while taking away 2 damageing abilites (that also buffed self and allies and debuffed enemies) and nerfing damage of your passive.

Hammermancer1 votes

{quoted}

If that was the case Taric would just take conqourer himself. Hes gimped because he lost massive healing in his rework for potiential to heal 5 champions at the same time and lost damage for a shield and invunrability with a massive wind up on the invunrability that people can just kite out during the invunrability. I wasnt even meaning top but as a champion even if its in the support position. Tarics's new passive is also literally splitting his old passive cooldown and damage to take more time for 2 swings and saying look you we gave you a pretty swing animation. I also used to do this thing where Old blood stone taric was a pretty good new armor and New blood stone taric is a slightly changed for the most part chroma. Your E can multi hit so we are gonna nerf your E to be lower than old max range E instead of keeping the closer you get more damge it does mechanic while taking away 2 damageing abilites (that also buffed self and allies and debuffed enemies) and nerfing damage of your passive.

you realize that new taric still heals himself for massive amounts just at a slower pace right? also his passive autos do scale with attack speed amazingly well, you can reach like 9 a/s if you want to cheese it.

LordGeovanni1 votes

I relaise that he needs a stationary target to hit to dump 5 times the mana of his old Q just to match his self heal when healing others not when healing just himself. while having one of the smallest mana pools in the game with super bad mana regen. Stack as much attacks speed as you want you arent gonna reach what old taric did if you had people standing still much less in an actual moving fight. All im staying is that for removing 2 damage spells they could have buffed his E and Passive damage not nerfed them.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Of his current kit, I can only see possibly his ult being shared among allies but given a 2 second cooldown or something for them (for Kog Maw reasons).

Edit: Actually I could see his roar buffing allies in some way too. Or executing an enemy with bite doing something.

ModJango Mage1 votes

Good idea! Also Aatrox wasnt the only one that could have ended up like this. Back when they reworked sejuani, she was gonna have this aspect of her highlighted, which didnt really happen unfortunately.

Hammermancer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jango Mage,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8lZzfzhp,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-01-01T09:34:10.247+0000)

Good idea! Also Aatrox wasnt the only one that could have ended up like this. Back when they reworked sejuani, she was gonna have this aspect of her highlighted, which didnt really happen unfortunately.

And swain

BigFBear1 votes

Although I like how much you care about Voli (my beloved otp) with new ideas etc, I think this one don't fit his role as Juggernaut/Fright Train. I always saw Voli as an unstoppable bulky berserking beast that slaughters an enemy squishy right between it's teammates (in terms of gameplay not in terms of lore). Your idea would make him more supportish but I think his kit needs all his resources for raw fighting power/DMG/Sustain only for his own. If you take resources and put them into Grp-Buff you have to take it from his fighting power. Maybe there can be a Juggernaut with supportish skills but not Voli imo. He is too much the raging all-in bear and he needs all his resources for that, otherwise can't do that anymore properly. Actually I had similar ideas about give him more team value (something that has to do with HP, maybe combining his HP to one pool with one or more teammates for 3 seconds, like the Healshaman totem in WoW) but I rejected it again because of what I wrote above. It would change him too much. He would feel totally different. Maybe in his lore he is a leader but in terms of gameplay he isn't. He is more like "im going in, I don't give a fuck what my team says". And gameplay is what counts, because that is why I play him, not his lore. 99% don't know his lore anyway I guess.

Moody P1 votes

The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I highly suggest you look at MOBA-like games other than League; DOTA2 and various MMOs all have big hulk monsters that are capable of providing boosts to ally damage or defense and it doesn't really interfere with their fantasy at all.

Whether or not his kit is supportish depends on the whole kit and not just one spell. I think it would be a great compliment to setting him up to be even more of a fighter beast than he is now. For example, if he raises his own+ally's armor, then he makes them survive longer, which means they live longer to do damage. Given that one of Volibear's biggest issues RN is that he has absolute shit defense, it solves two issues in one; now he has a unique spell AND a solid defense tool, and there's still 3 abilities+his passive that can be dedicated entirely to going berserk on enemies.

BigFBear1 votes

That makes some sense. But buff Abilities are also pretty boring (mostly). I would prefer 3 Abilitys (+Ult) which interact with my target than just 2 and a Buff.

More from Gameplay

More by Moody P