@Riot, What is fair about Vayne in your eyes?

metaworldpeace10··4 votes·556 views

This is an honest question that I want to discuss. Is it her single target damage? Is it her "weak" laning phase? Is it her low range, even though she out ranges Lucian Quinn Graves Sivir? Is it her mobility? Because she's probably the most mobile ADC outside of Kalista. What goes? What is it that makes her fair? What are her tradeoffs. Please list them, I really want to see what her tradeoffs are so I can improve my game against her. Thanks.

9 Comments

HexaDecimel3 votes

Whats not fair about her...

redniwediS2 votes

There are guides out there already if you're having trouble. There's no need to ask Riot for assistance.

Live2LetDie2 votes

Basically it's because if you don't dominate her lanning phase then you deserve to lose. She has no kill pressure early.

Marthian2 votes

Actually, yes she does. She lands a condemn or has a competent support, she is fully capable of getting kills.

Also considering she outspeeds basically every carry bot lane, she can proc W fairly easily for some good poke damage.

Not to mention Bilgewater Cutlass gives her a decent slow in addition to her still outspeeding you. (She has 330 base, which is only beaten by Lucian, Sivir, and Quinn. She meets or beats every other ADC in terms of movespeed and beats all but Sivir when moving towards champions.)

Live2LetDie1 votes

{quoted}

Actually, yes she does. She lands a condemn or has a competent support, she is fully capable of getting kills.

Also considering she outspeeds basically every carry bot lane, she can proc W fairly easily for some good poke damage.

Not to mention Bilgewater Cutlass gives her a decent slow in addition to her still outspeeding you. (She has 330 base, which is only beaten by Lucian, Sivir, and Quinn. She meets or beats every other ADC in terms of movespeed and beats all but Sivir when moving towards champions.)

Basically everything you pointed out should be avoided by a competent lane opponent. This is why lower elos complain, they dont know how to play the game.

  1. Neither support or adc should ever get condem to a wall by vayne. That shows incredible lack of positioning on their part.
  2. Any meta support can crowd control vayne: thresh, leo, janna, raka, naut. In lane they make her tumble usless making her an easy target.
  3. She HAS to get her proc to do damage in lane. To bad bolt stacks go away from stunning her once, which every meta support has.

She is very ez to beat in lane. If you dont have her pushed to her tower the whole time then your playing bot lane wrong.

Marthian1 votes

Except for the part she has a 52% win rate in PLAT+ games and suddenly, it's not a noobs complaining thread.

  1. Can't always avoid being pinned. (Even without being condemned, she still does damage.
  2. IF they land a CC on Vayne, which she can use the aforementioned Tumble to avoid in most cases anyways.
  3. Her auto attacks even if W doesn't proc, STILL DO AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE. And it's not even hard to proc W to begin with, considering, AGAIN, she outspeeds just about every carry in the game early game.)
HexaDecimel1 votes

That also means that Vayne has a 48% loss rate in platinum. Which is interesting because it seems to suggest that even the more skilled players are only able to win roughly half of the time when playing Vayne.

  1. You might not always avoid being pinned, but that is a testament to better positioning from the other player and mistakes you may have made.

  2. When has CC not been reliant on landing it properly to get the best results? And being able to avoid it has very little to do with the individual champion and more to do with the player using them.

  3. The purpose of an ADC is that their AUTO ATTACKS DEAL DAMAGE!

disregardable1 votes

What are her trade offs? She dies almost instantly. It doesn't matter if : you outrange her KogMaw Lux Azir Xerath or if you instantly burst her Diana Fizz Akali XinZhao or if you CC her Nautilus Annie Chogath Warwick or if you zone her Heimerdinger Zyra Cassiopeia Swain
or if you make her attacks worthless Tryndamere Yasuo Teemo

no matter what she just dies.

LaceUp231 votes

Single target, no poke, short range.

More from Gameplay

More by metaworldpeace10