Can we start giving fighters more total AD ratios instead of Bonus AD ratios

FalconPawwwwnch·2/12/2018, 1:58:34 AM·27 votes·2,225 views

So that Sterak's Gage actually does something for their skills

Obviously keep the numbers comparable for other AD values, the only difference being that Sterak's Gage's AD will scale skills too

Examples:

Jax Q Old: 70/110/150/190/230 + 1.0 bonus AD Jax Q New: 20/45/70/95/120 + 1.0 total AD

Renekton Q Old: 65/95/125/155/185 + 80% bonus AD Renekton Q New: 20/40/60/80/100 + 80% total AD

Jarvan Q Old: 80/120/160/200/240 + 120% bonus AD Jarvan Q New: 10/35/60/85/110 + 120% total AD

Damage numbers are comparable to current values but now Sterak's Gage actually helps their skills too instead of being heavily biased towards champs with total AD ratios

It's another reason why Steraks isn't as good on Darius because his ult scales off of bonus AD

61 Comments

2nd Chance2/12/2018, 2:01:13 AM8 votes

You can't just go from straight bonus AD to total AD without lowering the ratios somewhat

That'd just be too strong

Critmaster Garen2/12/2018, 6:22:36 PM5 votes

i think juggernauts should generally have high base ad, and total ad scalings on pretty much all of their abilities in their kits to guarantee high base damage and the ability to dish out carry level damage while stacking a ton of defense.

the more mobile and self sufficient divers should have a mix of bonus ad- and total ad scalings to be able to build somewhat defensive, but are encouraged to build slightly more squishy and ad focused than juggers to be able to dish out similar damage.

juggernauts should be incentivised to go for item 3053 while divers should lean more towards item 3156 to deal with burst.

imo Warwick or Hecarim shouldnt be able to become as tanky as Darius while dealing similar damage. we already had this situation with hecarim a couple times and it wasnt pretty. but its important to find a common ground of them being able to carry without instantly blowing up after engaging.

FCJAAAAGOOOO2/12/2018, 7:19:59 AM4 votes

Let's add uh

less damage

to the game.

Not more.

Maybe give bruisers better defensive stats how about that.

Jbels2/12/2018, 2:00:51 AM4 votes

Steraks giving a percentage of base AD back works fine for pretty much every fighter that builds it. Fighters auto, and their autos do more damage when they have a higher base AD

Illâoi Evê Siôn2/12/2018, 3:23:35 AM4 votes

Some Fighters shouldn't have easy access to Sterak's, like Renekton.

kinda sad2/12/2018, 11:46:35 AM2 votes

Or just give us FoB back so that fighters have bonus AD..

The Ecdysiast2/12/2018, 11:54:55 AM2 votes

Darius doesn't need that buff, since his ultimate is true damage and he gains up to 120 bonus AD for no cost or cooldown to begin with. For the others, it's fine though.

Tychusfindlay9182/12/2018, 5:00:43 AM2 votes

I challenge someone to come up with total ad numbers for the bleed and dunk in darius's kit that allow for comparable numbers to what you see to live darius.

In my experience, this is essentially impossible. Total AD scales would have to be low since darius would have up to 140 something more AD to play with when counting his ultimate and bleed scaling, but if the scales are low then noxian might and buying AD on darius will lose a lot of its purpose and make darius feel really bad to play.

Jaygo412/13/2018, 12:07:09 AM1 votes

I agree 100%. This would allow us to more easily define playstyles for given champs. I personally think Build Diversity as an idea is doodoo. Rune and Champ diversity is about all you can do before you start stepping on some champs' toes. Champs like J4 are supposed to be fighters, not Duskblade of Draktharr nuke bot then die champions.