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never lost a lane to a singed pre rework. i honestly didnt even bother with spirit visage. start longsword 3 posts and harass singed out of lane. come back with a hexdrinker, merc treads dunk him repeatedly.
thats how it always worked for me. im also used to running ignite.
most garens you faced might have ran 9/21 masteries, while this one went for 21/9 and more heavy into damage? dont know.
but in general garen shouldnt have a problem with singed. he cant even fling him without eating a q at the same time. that and garen can damage singed while moving parallel to him and staying out of the poison. its what always won me the lane vs singed.
And I have never lost a lane to a Garen as Singed, mainly for the exact same reason. He can't Q me without me flinging him towards my turret. Maybe I just had a tilted match, but something seemed very odd. He didn't have any more AD than usual, I didn't play the lane any different than usual, but it just felt as if he did two or three times more damage than usual.
Again, maybe I just had a horrible match, but I doubt the rework had nothing to do with it. It just bothers me because he basically did to me exactly what I used to do to garen every match, I did no damage while he melted me.