Then I want him and him alone to work on the upcoming/future 
rework.
Yeaaa! I want Wukong to be super Mobile "which he should be" and Fun to play, I want him to be always considered competitive and rewarding when mastered.
Sincerely, A trash Wukong main
Definitely not kappa.
Khristophoros42 votesHow about they just stop having him make champs because 90% of the time it's cancer? First week you think it's fun then you see it every game and you realize it ruins the game.
Wukong Airlines20 votesSo you want this game to be binary and boring?
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So you want this game to be binary and boring?
I want it to be fun. The only CertainlyT champ that's both healthy and fun is Thresh.
JustMonika1322 votesI want it to be fun. The only CertainlyT champ that's both healthy and fun is Thresh.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
IcyPepper41 votesYeah, for the ones playing with Thresh.
LordGeovanni10 votesthresh is the only champion Certainly T has that has windowed power on a particually long cooldown hook though not as long as it used to be at later levels
IcyPepper7 votesCertainlyT has had his mistakes in the past, but the guy's champions has their ups and downs. Some of his champions are going to be hated by some, some of them are adored by others.
The point I'm making here is that you think all his champions are unhealthy and unfun except Thresh, yet people outside of you have mixed opinions about Thresh. It should put in perspective that maybe your opinion isn't objective, and that you should consider what other people think as well.
Some champions are fun to play. Some champions are fun to play against. These two are not mutually exclusive, nor inclusive.
TehNACHO4 votesI like his champions.
Old Darius had two huge problems with his circle of death syndrome and his Ultimate resetting in lane, the former being a problem all too common in a LOT of champions from that area and the latter being an easy fix.
I've honestly never understood the issue with Thresh.
On that note, neither Zyra.
Yasuo seems like CertainlyT's hate attracting flagship but I've said it time and time again, most every other Crit based carries are infinitely more toxic if they maintained the same viability as Yasuo did through many points of Yasuo's career. I've also always maintained the opinion that it's been the balance team dropping the ball on Yasuo, not design, as they continue to maintain Yasuo's statchecking properties (Passive being the worst contender) while chipping away at Yasuo's utility, the entire reason why Yasuo's allowed to be viable instead of obnoxious. That or missing really obvious fixes for forever like reducing his Q3 duration.
I never liked the arguments made against Kalista. The champions that suffer the most to Kalista are immobile Tanky melees...which are what ADCs, as a class, are literally designed to kill. Other ranged champions especially Marksman don't have major issues against her and I've never once actually seen an Assassin main honestly complain about her. It would be just as backwards a complaint as saying a Bruiser(jugg) has a circle of death and is difficult for some champions to straight up fight or a zoning mage's zoning potential is too strong.
IcyPepper2 votesI've honestly never understood the issue with Thresh.
I think it differs from person to person, really.
His high pick rate in LCS, his pretty decent ability to engage/disengage, and general utility. Other people have different thoughts, I doubt I've covered it all. I will be the first to admit he's not as frustrating to play against as Blitzcrank (who feels quite feast and famine), but he and his lantern are annoying.
The point of my comment wasn't to shit on Thresh, though, but to point out that "fun" with champions is subjective.
Oleandervine1 votesThat's incredibly subjective. Blitzcrank is irritating, yes. But if you dodge his 1 skill shot, he can't do jack shit. He is literally a walking Q and nothing else. Thresh, meanwhile, has displacement galore, a dashing lantern, a shield, an incredible slow, and he's got ranged attacks. Thresh is so much worse than Blitzcrank because he has a helluva lot more tools than Blitz.
Nevrankroaton3 votesI've honestly never understood the issue with Thresh.
PTSD from when he was released...
Dude had so much damage, was tanky, was the god of all-in and he was one of the first new champion that had very new abilities/way to play the game. Certainly'T was always someone who would break the game's shell and make something out of the box, his champions are very unique.
But at the time, they were so new/unique they had A LOT of strength when others champions had dull/old kit that couldn't hope to compete with the mechanics he created. Tresh needed to have a lot of nerf on his stat, dmg, scaling and CD so his kit would be less overbearing and would 'support' his incredible mechanics.
That is the problem of Certainly'T champions.
They are unique, awesome to play.
They feel unfun because they don't follow the game rules while 90% other champions does, so it is obnoxious to fight them.
TehNACHO1 votesOn a tangential note, I've joked before that Shyvana and Mundo are literally the same champion. And then you have more modern fighters like Illaoi, yeah change is good but it can be pretty drastic.
If it's really just PTSD, okay fine, but I'd honestly have new crazy designs over literally copy pasting champions.
Blackstone013 votesThresh became the Lee Sin of supports. Thresh wasn't just good, he was the new standard of supports. EVERYBODY had to be compared with Thresh; You want to take X? How do they do against Thresh? Thresh could do everything you wanted in a support, and was best/second best at everything. He could make picks as well or better than Blitz, he could peel almost as well as Janna, his engage was as good as Leona, and his on hit damage (which used to be on his Q) hit pretty fucking hard. He just did everything really well.
Khristophoros2 votesCertainlyT has had his mistakes in the past, but the guy's champions has their ups and downs. Some of his champions are going to be hated by some, some of them are adored by others.
The point I'm making here is that you think all his champions are unhealthy and unfun except Thresh, yet people outside of you have mixed opinions about Thresh. It should put in perspective that maybe your opinion isn't objective, and that you should consider what other people think as well.
Some champions are fun to play. Some champions are fun to play against. These two are not mutually exclusive, nor inclusive.
Can I just state my opinion (Thresh is the only CT champ that is healthy and fun) or do I have to make every post with a disclaimer "this is just my opinion and you are free to disagree"? idk that seems a bit unnecessary.
Big Black Croc2 votesI mean you kind of said it like it was a fact, where was your "imo"?
LordGeovanni2 votesDowns where. Only times his champions have downs is when you completely gut their numbers because their kits are frustrating and largely unfair to play against. he designs champions as if they are gonna be the only carry on the team damage utility and mobility wise but always sures up what would be their weakness cooldown defense and or escape wise. I dont think his champions are unfun they are fun to play but lock the enemy out of any way to deal with them that isnt the player of said certainly T champions making a mistake themselves. I think thesh is fine only because he is weak number wise right now he is also unfun to play against when he has large base numbers and gets lots of souls i think his last nerf was a reduction in the frequencey at which souls spawned besides his sheild value getting smaller.
IcyPepper2 votesbecause their kits are frustrating and largely unfair to play against.
That's the downs I'm referring to.
Not for the player playing them.
The players who have to play against them.
:/
Mogarl17 votesIdk I think Warwick is in a pretty good spot, and hasn't ever taken over the game since his re-release. Unlike every other champion CertainlyT has ever made.
RocketRelm11 votesTo be fair, CertainlyT said it felt super restricting to work on, and he wouldn't do another rework again because you're limited.
NineTailedMystic13 votesSadly CT needs that restriction.
DracosKasu11 votesOH yeah right if Tresh wasnt cancer during his release, I wonder why they nerf him right after his release over and over again.
Khristophoros1 votesOH yeah right if Tresh wasnt cancer during his release, I wonder why they nerf him right after his release over and over again.
Thresh ended up in a healthy state unlike most of the others. It was only a matter of tuning.
Shiznyte8 votesThresh had like 5-7 striaght nerfs before he was healthy haha. that champion was busted for so long when he first came out!
Melledoneus6 votesEven if the stuff he makes is unbalanced, you have to agree he comes up with some wacky as shit ideas that definitely mix up the game.
Thresh with his repositioning lantern and souls mechanic. Yasuo with his negation of projectiles and use of other ally's CC. Darius with the stacking on his passive and Noxian might, as well as the Q. And now Zoe with mimicking summoner spell casts.
I prefer new, potentially broken stuff to imitations of past mechanics because the interactions created are certainly interesting.
The Archive7 votesFrankly, having 'wacky' ideas doesn't warrant having a broken champion for months, or even years, on end. Nearly every single one of his champions have been flat out gutted to get them even remotely in the realm of balance. And a lot of them are still stupidly relevant despite constant nerfs. All this is going to do is remind everyone why CertainlyT hasn't designed a new champ's kit in four years.
Zoe'll be released and unless someone has been seriously pruning her numbers and the extent of her abilities behind T's back, she's just going to be constantly complained about. And then nerfed. And then nerfed again. And probably still not balanced until much, much later.
Dawn Warden1 votesHello Archive , I see these nerfings are Overkilling Zoe now , if riot aims to ballance her , should also prevent to Debuff her to ashes as well , this new nerf on newly patch , made her Q , somehow destroyed ! they wanted to make more dodge space from her Q for enemies , but now ... her Q Beam is Narrowed too much (now many times we aim enemy correctly & Zoe's Q passes from the center of enemy body & doesnt hit it ! while both teams are watching this & admiting this nerf is a bug) btw their new nerf on zoe is over Weakening . as a sincere fan of L♥vely Zoe , asking riot to stop nerfing her , this is getting terrible . many thanks for reading .
SpecterVonBaren2 votesThe issue with CT is that if he was designing characters for a PvE game then he'd be amazing but the fact of the matter is that every single champion he's been the solo creator of feels like shit to play against when they are strong. Darius is the only one that's not like this BUT that's only because he got reworked by someone else, before that he was every melee champions worst nightmare, even if he fell off late game he made your lanning phase miserable.
I like his ideas but the problem is that he goes too far. Someone needs to sit next to him and tell him "Ok, I think this champ does enough things now" because his tendency is to just give them everything they need to be the top dog of their class.
Dawn Warden1 votesHello Melledoneus , I see you're a Moderator thats really Nice , sorry but i'm asking to read this note i wrote here , pls inform riot if possible. replied it to Archive, but resend it :
these nerfings are Overkilling Zoe now , pls prevent to Debuff her to ashes , these new nerfs on newly patchs , made her skills & specially Q , somehow destroyed ! they wanted to make more dodge space from her Q for enemies , but now ... her Q Beam is Narrowed too much (now many times we aim enemy correctly & Zoe's Q passes from the center of enemy body & doesnt hit it ! while both teams are watching this & admitting this nerf is a bug) , zoe is a Mid laner , mid champs are first priority to become carry if they got a chance , so same for zoe , but these nerfs are the unbalancing source itself ! btw their new nerf on zoe is over Weakening . these are making her a side role champ instead of a team main carry . by watching the k/d/a scores of most famous challengers recently games as zoe you see they got so bad scores by her , i can send the link of world most recent scores if like . as a sincere fan of L♥vely Zoe , asking riot to stop nerfing her , this is getting terrible . Many thanks to Riot for Creating ♥Zoe and thanks for reading . Best Regards .
Kloqdq16 votesCertainlyT is great at making fun champions. I could see him making a dope as fuck Wukong.
Big Black Croc6 votesFun, but cancer
Kloqdq6 votesI mean people always put this arugment out there that his champions are cancer.
However, many champions in this game are problematic or WORSE than what CertainlyT has done. Camille, Galio, Fizz, Twitch, Lee Sin, Lulu, Janna, and a bunch of other champions. So many champions that are equally overloaded, equally painful to deal with and stupid and have had nothing to do with CertainlyT.
He always provides us with something interesting and even if they do sometimes go to far, it's not like they are designs that are complete failures. Most of the work he does just needs some follow-up. It's mostly just control and moderation. Someone like WW is just perfect and I'd rather fight 100 Thresh than 5 Janna/Lulu/Sorakas ANY day of the week.
NineTailedMystic6 votesIdk if you can get worse than Yasuo, release Darius, and release Zyra.
Fisher No Chains8 votesRelease (and even current) Kalista would like a word with you lmao
NineTailedMystic2 votesForgot about her. Why did you have to remind me.
Fisher No Chains1 votesJust to remind you that someone at Rito games thought “hey an adc (a class that NATURALLY scales with attack speed) with a dash for every auto attack (so more than 1 dash per second) is indeed fun and healthy for the game! Let’s release it”.
bàn4 votesFun for the player not the opponent haha xdxdddx
Kloqdq1 votesIt depends on the champion. Thresh and WW are great champions in their own right and I enjoy fighting them. They aren't anti-fun (despite what the boards will say sometimes) and I would much rather fight them than someone like Camille or Ekko. Darius is a lane bully and depending on the elo, you'll get different opinions. Same goes for Yasuo. Zyra is kind of in a bad spot so that's not good. Kalista was a cool idea but she had too much power with not enough of it being gated. That doesn't mean she isn't a bad design. It's fun and it could have been balanced. It just had too much free space for Kali namely on her Passive giving you infinite kiting (something that could work if it had a window of power rather than just always).
People trash on CertainlyT alot but let's be honest; I rather fight a CertainlyT champion than a champion like Ekko, Camille, Gnar, Fizz, Pantheon, Soraka, Lulu, etc. There is a lot of powerful champions in league. CertainlyT are among them but they are far from being the worst offenders.
The Archive4 votesSounds like you don't remember or have never played with a release CertainlyT champ.
Penns6 votesImagine a certainlyT 
rework
:]
Mogarl19 votesTbf 
turned out pretty good. it may only be a single champion but his track record for updating champions is still better than creating new ones.
Penns5 votesIm saying it would be good tho
rito has to rework or revert fizz anyway [sg-ezreal]
Blackstone011 votesThey put a heavy leash on T for WW rework. That's why it turned out balanced.
ArfBarkBoof1 votesTbf
Warwick only turned out okay because they had him on a leash.
Blue Moon Wolf6 votesHonestly I don't like how his champs turn out. They tend to end up being the exact opposite of what Wukong is to me, which is a versatile yet easy to pick up champ. Of course I'd love Wukong to gain a level of mastery, but... well, his champs get a LOT of hate... like, a LOT of it. Likely the most hate out of any champs from any other Rioter.
If they don't end up getting gutted for being to strong, they are left alone while people constantly complain about them needing nerfed to the ground and gaining a large amount of hate for being left alone. I really wouldn't like to see Wukong fall under that group.
Even more I worry about him not keeping to what makes Wukong, Wukong. I still remember how much Morde mains were constantly trying to talk to him about changes they'd prefer to see (most of which, yes, was complaints, but quite a few were trying to be civil as possible), getting no feedback and then him finally getting updated and ended up being an abomination, before being changed repeatedly till he was finally put on the future VGU list.
Wukong isn't a very popular champ and likewise I feel like he would treat Wukong the same way he treated Morde by not listening to Wukong's mains and try to experiment with him in a way that doesn't fit his play style. I'm extremely worried about the second one seeing as though Wukong doesn't have a very strong niche and it could be very possible for Riot to try and force a new one into him, rather then enhance whats already there.
Personally I'd much rather see whoever updated Xin cover him, cause Xin is still very much himself, but with added changes here and there to both focus on his Diver aspects while giving him more versatility. I will also say that CertinlyT did do a good job with , but WW alone isn't enough to make me feel like he would be a good pick for Wukong.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesThey tend to end up being the exact opposite of what Wukong is to me, which is a versatile yet easy to pick up champ.
Wukong versatile ??
Blue Moon Wolf1 votesMore so back in the earlier seasons, but still versatile enough for me at least to work around the current "Assassin Wukong" meta. Even back in his Champion spotlight they mentioned how he was made to be able to go top or mid (Jungle wasn't really a thing yet at that point) and work as an off assassin. On top of that, to me he's always been less about mastering him and more about adapting to the enemy you are fighting, which I find as a versatile characteristic.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku1 votesi understand what mean now... u mean he can be played top, jng & mid...
But its not versatil IMO... Wukong is always played as an assassins, Either u OS the squishies either u are just a malphite low cost (an simple knock up).
Blue Moon Wolf1 votesI mean like currently 
as I've been told repeatedly is out of meta for him and that he HAS to buy full on lethality/damage to be relevant and I have tried that style build but I just can't play him like that. I don't do well with Assassins or Assassin like builds. But even if that's how the meta shifted, I still can build and most of what I want, only sacrificing some space for one lethality item (plus some lethality runes) and still be able to do extremely well.
Really its the fact that even if the meta says "you have to play him assassin", he's been versatile enough that I don't have to in order to do well. To me he's always been a champ that never let the meta hold him back.
SpecterVonBaren2 votesI really don't think Wukong's issue is that hard to discern. His problem is that his entire kit is almost perfect for teamfighting but at the cost of being poor for lanning phase. If a Wukong has a team with him then he can cause havoc and is really fun and strong but outside of those teamfights he falls short.
HeeroTX5 votesBe careful what you wish for, once your main goes OP then it's ALWAYS pick-or-ban and you don't get to play it as much.