Daily reminder Nasus hasn't received a single compensation buff for any nerfs in 2 years

HateDaddy·Oct 7, 2015·21 votes·2,650 views

Yes the 25 range on Q was nice as it makes AA+Q resets less clunky but that was hardly ever an issue. He's been nerfed so hard directly and indirectly over the last two years from core items to now apparently TP likely receiving a nerf on its CD. Can we seriously start talking about compensating him for all these nerfs? He's legit terrible right now and I don't want to hear "but muh winrate" because Azir has a 40% winrate and is regarded as one of the best mid laners in competitive where people don't suck with him. His winrate isn't relevant, he's not very good right now and there's no reason to pick him nor does it even feel rewarding to get farmed on him given how risky picking him is.

99 Comments

The Yetii RiderOct 7, 20159 votes

Nasus doesn't need to be good. He scales infinitely. His theoretical power is so strong that if he is tuned to allow him to reach it, he becomes overbearing.

Better to leave him completely weak and dependent not only on your own skill but on the enemy being a worse player than you than having him actually reliably reach his power spike.

HateDaddyOct 7, 20156 votes

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Nasus doesn't need to be good. He scales infinitely. His theoretical power is so strong that if he is tuned to allow him to reach it, he becomes overbearing.

So according to these boards then, Veigar needs to be absolutely gutted right now. Because Veigars scaling is 10x better than Nasus' since he's ranged and can apply it easier, it applies to his AP not just on spell and he brings way more utility to the table. And right now, Veigar is farming way too safely because 950 range is impossible to deny.

Better to leave him completely weak and dependent not only on your own skill but on the enemy being a worse player than you than having him actually reliably reach his power spike.

It's not about reliably reaching his power spike. It's about it being worth the risk of picking him, risk/reward. The reward isn't worth the risk currently and more nerfs to his lane phase are just a bigger fuck you to him that he doesn't need.

WolfBVOct 8, 20151 votes

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Nasus doesn't need to be good. He scales infinitely. His theoretical power is so strong that if he is tuned to allow him to reach it, he becomes overbearing.

Better to leave him completely weak and dependent not only on your own skill but on the enemy being a worse player than you than having him actually reliably reach his power spike.

Imagine a Nasus with 1500 stacks.

Yordle XayahOct 7, 20156 votes

Reminder: Nasus IS in fact The Original Juggernaut.

It's like baking a cake. Leave him in Top for 20 mins and he can potentially solo carry a game through his split push power. A Nasus with enough stacks can duel practically anyone, since he can build full tank and his only source of damage will be his Q.

You must not forget this: Darius Garen Skarner Mordekaiser All of their reworks were inspired by one champion:

Nasus

Don't forget about it.

EedatOct 7, 20156 votes

Leave him in Top for 20 mins and he can potentially solo carry a game through his split push power.

WHAT?

Tryndamere Jax Fiora Gangplank Olaf Riven Udyr Trundle all better top lane split pushers than Nasus. Is this a troll post or is it just me?

SasogwaOct 7, 20153 votes

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WHAT?

all better top lane split pushers than Nasus. Is this a troll post or is it just me?

Nasus beats every one of those guys in a 1v1 scenario though.

On the topic, I'd like Nasus to be higher risk/reward.

Slight mana issues or weaker base stats for less kiteability/more tankiness in lategame (higher defensive stats/lvl? Tenacity or slow resistance on ult? %damage reduction on something like when he's inside E circle?)

EedatOct 7, 20153 votes

You have to be joking at this point. Not even going to bother going into it at this point. Not going to waste my time with someone who says Nasus can win a duel with Trundle

SasogwaOct 7, 20154 votes

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You have to be joking at this point. Not even going to bother going into it at this point. Not going to waste my time with someone who says Nasus can win a duel with Trundle

You're silver, I'm diamond. Bait Trundle's ult. Kite Trundle with wither during his ult, and you wreck him when his ult's down. /matchup Hilariously easy

Nasus weakness is not 1v1 (he gets arguably outdueled by some sated + armor junglers which is annoying but not by any toplaners) it's his garbage teamfighting.

HateDaddyOct 7, 20152 votes

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You're silver, I'm diamond. Bait Trundle's ult. Kite Trundle with wither during his ult, and you wreck him when his ult's down. /matchup Hilariously easy

You're making this assumption on Nasus being able to get farm in the first place against trundle. Same with Olaf, Riven, Udyr or Jax. Yes, if he gets farmed he will out duel them, that's a lot easier said than done, especially with black cleaver now. It's just another fuck you to Nasus, on top of FH nerfs to boot.

SasogwaOct 7, 20152 votes

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You're making this assumption on Nasus being able to get farm in the first place against trundle. Same with Olaf, Riven, Udyr or Jax. Yes, if he gets farmed he will out duel them, that's a lot easier said than done, especially with black cleaver now. It's just another fuck you to Nasus, on top of FH nerfs to boot.

It's fairly feasible to get farm against trundle. Actually pretty much all of them are ok matchups. Cancerous matchups would be Pantheon Vladimir playing very aggressive when your jungler can't help. Vayne but she's more rare, and it's if you don't want to risk all inning.

About the items, I agree the FH nerf was completely fucked up and BC could get a slight nerf though. And I agree that even if you manage the reward just doesn't seem that great.

HateDaddyOct 7, 20152 votes

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It's fairly feasible to get farm against trundle. Actually pretty much all of them are ok matchups. Cancerous matchups would be playing very aggressive when your jungler can't help. but she's more rare, and it's if you don't want to risk all inning.

About the items, I agree the FH nerf was completely fucked up and BC could get a slight nerf though. And I agree that even if you manage the reward just doesn't seem that great.

Yeah I'm gonna renig on that one, Trundle isn't hard. Olaf is brutal if he maxes E first, you NEED jungle pressure in that one. Fiora is one of those lanes where both can get farmed and both can kill each other. Trynd is easy. The rest can go either way and are extremely snowbally either way.

By the way, have you lanes vs Swain since rylais was buffed. Absolutely disgusting lane. Same with Ryze still.

That's my biggest issue honestly man,'they've just stripped so much power away from him it's not even funny. He's a shell of his former self, which to some extent I think it was needed because let's be real, 95% AS slow was broken af. But the range nerf on wither destroyed his teamfight. It doesn't even feel meaningful to get farm on him anymore. I'd rather play someone like Jax who scales almost as strongly as Nasus as a duelist but has snowball potential and a better teamfight.

SasogwaOct 7, 20152 votes

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Yeah I'm gonna renig on that one, Trundle isn't hard. Olaf is brutal if he maxes E first, you NEED jungle pressure in that one. Fiora is one of those lanes where both can get farmed and both can kill each other. Trynd is easy. The rest can go either way and are extremely snowbally either way.

By the way, have you lanes vs Swain since rylais was buffed. Absolutely disgusting lane. Same with Ryze still.

That's my biggest issue honestly man,'they've just stripped so much power away from him it's not even funny. He's a shell of his former self, which to some extent I think it was needed because let's be real, 95% AS slow was broken af. But the range nerf on wither destroyed his teamfight. It doesn't even feel meaningful to get farm on him anymore. I'd rather play someone like Jax who scales almost as strongly as Nasus as a duelist but has snowball potential and a better teamfight.

It was broken, but for some reason I feel a huge amount of his good old lategame power came from the obnoxious longer range 95% AS slow. Like, who would duel you? Also, Crucible and Mercurial weren't a thing, so that was basically suppressing the other adc from the fight. Good ol' times, I miss season 2. Resists actually felt powerful too. Like, 68 armor/mr item 3026 And everyone thought Nasus was garbage at the time. Same for Veig.

thePandevOct 8, 20151 votes

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Nasus beats every one of those guys in a 1v1 scenario though.

On the topic, I'd like Nasus to be higher risk/reward.

Slight mana issues or weaker base stats for less kiteability/more tankiness in lategame (higher defensive stats/lvl? Tenacity or slow resistance on ult? %damage reduction on something like when he's inside E circle?)

No he can't, lmao. If you are still fighting him during Wither then you just deserve to lose. But If you play it properly no one in that list would lose, especially Olaf and Trundle .

SasogwaOct 8, 20152 votes

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No he can't, lmao. If you are still fighting him during Wither then you just deserve to lose. But If you play it properly no one in that list would lose, especially and .

I'm curious, how exactly would you win with trundle once Nasus has some stacks? He outtrades you hard, until you ult and at that point he withers you. It's not like you have crazy outplay tools.

thePandevOct 8, 20151 votes

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I'm curious, how exactly would you win with trundle once Nasus has some stacks? He outtrades you hard, until you ult and at that point he withers you. It's not like you have crazy outplay tools.

You are very much underestimating Trundle. Wither at max level will only slow attack speed by 47.5% for 5 seconds (IIRC). Trundle's frozen domain increases attack speed by 80% for 8 seconds, Wither won't be doing as much as you think it will. And again, if Nasus tries to build tank Trundle will steal stats. Trundle has ridiculous Life Steal.

And against a bruiser Trundle with item 3071 item 3931 item 3153 item 3111 item 3065 item 3053 as an example build, he'll get absolutely obliterated.

SaltyKrackaOct 8, 20152 votes

This leaves out a couple of points. First, attack speed slows work on the base attack speed, which makes attack speed increases basically worthless versus them.

Secondly, that is a 6-item build with Cinderhulk and thus Smite in it on a toplaner. Unless you are suggesting that jungle trundle would be building that, in which case it is to laugh.

SasogwaOct 8, 20151 votes

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You are very much underestimating Trundle. Wither at max level will only slow attack speed by 47.5% for 5 seconds (IIRC). Trundle's frozen domain increases attack speed by 80% for 8 seconds, Wither won't be doing as much as you think it will. And again, if Nasus tries to build tank Trundle will steal stats. Trundle has ridiculous Life Steal.

And against a bruiser Trundle with as an example build, he'll get absolutely obliterated.

As I previously said, Nasus can get beaten by sated devourer junglers. I talked about toplane matchups.
Any way, the build you proposed kinda sucks in a way because it gives 0 armor. Get a armor item instead of Sterak and you might 1v1 Nasus, but that's cause you got sated.
Nasus won't use wither to lower attackspeed and fight while Trundle's ult. He will flee, literally. You don't stay in melee range of a Trundle ulting you, or you're definitely retarded (might work with enough stacks, but still). Just walk away when he ults you because the wither has still 35 to 95% movespeed slow. Then re-engage when the ult is down. That's how your resists still count.

theragingnerdOct 7, 20151 votes

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WHAT?

all better top lane split pushers than Nasus. Is this a troll post or is it just me?

riven doesn't split push dafuq? is this a troll post or just me

dunder killOct 7, 20158 votes

riven doesn't split push

LOL. troll/10

CarnariusOct 8, 20154 votes

reading comments from all these balance "experts" gives me a headache. it's seriously insane that all bronze/silver/gold overlords know perfectly how op nasus is and how 0 counterplay he has, while all the diamond/challenger mains (including me) with thousands of games on nasus can't understand it. the light has been brought and enlightened me, thanks you overlords

GubaguyOct 8, 20152 votes

As someone who regularly plays nasus in ranked... you are wrong. He has one of the worst early games ever, and can EASILY come back even from behind, i once had a game where i was barely at 150 stacks in 20 minutes, but then the enemy team started getting cocky, and i started getting tanky... eventually i was able to get to 300 stacks and trinity and the game was over, i was one shotting all minions and jungle camps, i was jsut walking across the map, killing everythign in my path and they could do NOTHIGN to stop me. eventually the game ended with me at nearly 800 stacks, from behind, after havign ashitty laning phase and being shoevd otu at every turn.

Alll you have to do is focus on farming, take the poke, only engage if you HAVE to, and in the end you win no matetr what.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20155 votes

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As someone who regularly plays nasus in ranked... you are wrong. He has one of the worst early games ever, and can EASILY come back even from behind, i once had a game where i was barely at 150 stacks in 20 minutes, but then the enemy team started getting cocky, and i started getting tanky... eventually i was able to get to 300 stacks and trinity and the game was over, i was one shotting all minions and jungle camps, i was jsut walking across the map, killing everythign in my path and they could do NOTHIGN to stop me. eventually the game ended with me at nearly 800 stacks, from behind, after havign ashitty laning phase and being shoevd otu at every turn.

Alll you have to do is focus on farming, take the poke, only engage if you HAVE to, and in the end you win no matetr what.

I'm a diamond Nasus mains with 1000+ games on him since s2, please don't try to tell me how a champ I have significantly more understanding with than you ever will while playing against much more competent players works.

Good players know how to snowball match-ups, they don't "get cocky." They get a lead or an advantage and shit on you, it's that simple. Does Nasus have champions who he can recover from when behind? Yes. Is that every champion? Not even close.

GubaguyOct 8, 20152 votes

well with that attitude... fuck you! seriously! jsut because you have more games, and a higher rank doesnt mean you know better. i had this same exact arguement about champion balance a whiela go... jsut becuase the 10% of players gold+ ranked say a champion is balanced doesnt mean they are right. if 90% of the community says somethign is broken, or unfun, or unfair then the MAJORITY is right, not the minority. high ranks dont give a fuck abotu balance becuase they abuse glitches, bugs, playstyles, and strategiesi low ranked players dont know about, or cant do.

example: i cant animation cancel with riven, but someone else can, so tehy already have an advantage and have a leg up. i claim its unfair, but they say its balanced becuase anyone CAN do it, but not everone is ABLE to do it. its called being privledged. and the reason you dont agree is because you have the privledge, and when you have somethign you cant see more then 10 feet between you and it, you cant see whats aroudn you, and therefore, disagree and dont care.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20154 votes

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well with that attitude... fuck you! seriously! jsut because you have more games, and a higher rank doesnt mean you know better. i had this same exact arguement about champion balance a whiela go... jsut becuase the 10% of players gold+ ranked say a champion is balanced doesnt mean they are right. if 90% of the community says somethign is broken, or unfun, or unfair then the MAJORITY is right, not the minority. high ranks dont give a fuck abotu balance becuase they abuse glitches, bugs, playstyles, and strategiesi low ranked players dont know about, or cant do.

example: i cant animation cancel with riven, but someone else can, so tehy already have an advantage and have a leg up. i claim its unfair, but they say its balanced becuase anyone CAN do it, but not everone is ABLE to do it. its called being privledged. and the reason you dont agree is because you have the privledge, and when you have somethign you cant see more then 10 feet between you and it, you cant see whats aroudn you, and therefore, disagree and dont care.

You can't be serious

GubaguyOct 8, 20151 votes

im VERY serious. you think you are right because you are in a higher position, jsut read this forum thread, SO MANY PEOPLE DISGAREE WITH YOU. you jsut THINK you are right becuase you are more privledged then they are.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20152 votes

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im VERY serious. you think you are right because you are in a higher position, jsut read this forum thread, SO MANY PEOPLE DISGAREE WITH YOU. you jsut THINK you are right becuase you are more privledged then they are.

stop, please

GubaguyOct 8, 20151 votes

im reading through some of your other comments... he pays the price by being immobile? he has one of the most powerful slows int he game and at least half of all nasus players take ghost, AND trinity which gives him move speeds per hit. and most champs will only need 2-3 hits to die to nasus.

man you RELALY want to be right despite being wrong abotu everything.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20153 votes

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im reading through some of your other comments... he pays the price by being immobile? he has one of the most powerful slows int he game and at least half of all nasus players take ghost, AND trinity which gives him move speeds per hit. and most champs will only need 2-3 hits to die to nasus.

man you RELALY want to be right despite being wrong abotu everything.

How old are you son?

Axis the DragonOct 8, 20151 votes

Dude, please, stop. I'm practically unranked, and I know for a fact that you're wrong in this argument. Just let it go, man.

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 8, 20155 votes

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im VERY serious. you think you are right because you are in a higher position, jsut read this forum thread, SO MANY PEOPLE DISGAREE WITH YOU. you jsut THINK you are right becuase you are more privledged then they are.

Many people believed the earth is flat and that you could cure the common cold with leeches

They weren't right just because there were a lot of them

Also I could literally dumpster you as any champ with 1 hand btw

GubaguyOct 8, 20151 votes

checked yoru game history, not sure where you get yoru confidence from, you got carried in most of your games, hell you FED as garen in a recnet game.

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 8, 20151 votes

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checked yoru game history, not sure where you get yoru confidence from, you got carried in most of your games, hell you FED as garen in a recnet game.

Havent had to play much, just coasting till the end of the season

See I'm rank 419 on the ladder, and you're rank 1,093,762

Bit of a difference there friend

HateDaddyOct 8, 20151 votes

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Havent had to play much, just coasting till the end of the season

See I'm rank 419 on the ladder, and you're rank 1,093,762

Bit of a difference there friend

419 is my hometowns area code

Are you coming over

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 8, 20151 votes

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419 is my hometowns area code

Are you coming over

yeah make me some coffee

GubaguyOct 8, 20151 votes

take a closer look, you will see ive had an afk or troll in almost all my promo games. also, i have this thing callaed a life, i have only been playing LoL since like S4 when people only cared about wiggles being OP, and i also dont play 50 gaems a day, i play 3-4, maybe.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20151 votes

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take a closer look, you will see ive had an afk or troll in almost all my promo games. also, i have this thing callaed a life, i have only been playing LoL since like S4 when people only cared about wiggles being OP, and i also dont play 50 gaems a day, i play 3-4, maybe.

600 ranked games this season

"i have a life"

umbraˉOct 8, 20151 votes

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600 ranked games this season

"i have a life"

that poor bronze badge what did it do to deserve that :c

GubaguyOct 8, 20151 votes

not sure where you got 600 from, but sure. thats still way fewer then your 1k games on ONE CHAMPION.

frigginmurlocsOct 8, 20151 votes

You mean the 1k over the course of four seasons

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 8, 20151 votes

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take a closer look, you will see ive had an afk or troll in almost all my promo games. also, i have this thing callaed a life, i have only been playing LoL since like S4 when people only cared about wiggles being OP, and i also dont play 50 gaems a day, i play 3-4, maybe.

So you have a life, yet you have 629 games in silver when I hit Master tier in 200

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 8, 20154 votes

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well with that attitude... fuck you! seriously! jsut because you have more games, and a higher rank doesnt mean you know better. i had this same exact arguement about champion balance a whiela go... jsut becuase the 10% of players gold+ ranked say a champion is balanced doesnt mean they are right. if 90% of the community says somethign is broken, or unfun, or unfair then the MAJORITY is right, not the minority. high ranks dont give a fuck abotu balance becuase they abuse glitches, bugs, playstyles, and strategiesi low ranked players dont know about, or cant do.

example: i cant animation cancel with riven, but someone else can, so tehy already have an advantage and have a leg up. i claim its unfair, but they say its balanced becuase anyone CAN do it, but not everone is ABLE to do it. its called being privledged. and the reason you dont agree is because you have the privledge, and when you have somethign you cant see more then 10 feet between you and it, you cant see whats aroudn you, and therefore, disagree and dont care.

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Slamurai JackOct 8, 20151 votes

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I'm a diamond Nasus mains with 1000+ games on him since s2, please don't try to tell me how a champ I have significantly more understanding with than you ever will while playing against much more competent players works.

Good players know how to snowball match-ups, they don't "get cocky." They get a lead or an advantage and shit on you, it's that simple. Does Nasus have champions who he can recover from when behind? Yes. Is that every champion? Not even close.

"Hi, I'm a solid 1000 elo below you and barely play the champion. Allow me to educate you about X champ."

Maximum MordeOct 8, 20152 votes

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indirectly over the last two years from core items

If you are gonna count the items as nerfs, then you have to count the new Juggernaut items as indirect buffs too. He definitely benefits from some of those new items.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20152 votes

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If you are gonna count the items as nerfs, then you have to count the new Juggernaut items as indirect buffs too. He definitely benefits from some of those new items.

Steraks and deadmans are nice but these hardly help him when you compare the nerfs to everything else.

Only Play DariusOct 8, 20151 votes

item 3071 minimal synergy with Nasus since his only physical damage is his autoattacks.

item 3748 worthless on Nasus

item 3742 this one is pretty good I give you that

item 3053 it's good if he's ahead but it leaves him too squishy otherwise.

And none of it makes up for the fact that his core item item 3110 got double nerfed, his hardest counter Darius actually has a strong late game now, and item 3075 got trashed.

Prospector PeteOct 7, 20151 votes

The problem with him is that he can build tanky and still do a ton of damage. It's not necessarily Nasus, but it's the meta shifting towards more mobile champions like Vayne. I was very surprised he wasn't included in the Juggernaut update with some sort of change, considering he fits the theme of Juggernaut way better than Morde.

The Yetii RiderOct 7, 20154 votes

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The problem with him is that he can build tanky and still do a ton of damage. It's not necessarily Nasus, but it's the meta shifting towards more mobile champions like Vayne. I was very surprised he wasn't included in the Juggernaut update with some sort of change, considering he fits the theme of Juggernaut way better than Morde.

Meddler said that Nasus was the poster child of what they wanted to accomplish with the juggernaut update, he was trying to make Garen, Darius, Skarner and Morder closer to Nasus in terms of power curve and reliability.

JoshehehOct 8, 20151 votes

lets have garen's E scale when he kills something with it its just like nasus!

Mr Broken WingsOct 8, 20151 votes

Its hilarious how all negative comments about nasus and how op he is come from low elo players while higher elo players call him trash. " IT DOESNT MATTER IF WE ARE LOW ELO WE CAN HAVE GAME KNOWLEDGE QQ STOP HATING." Yeah, no. Gameplay and Balance again has proven that they dont know shit about this game.

HateDaddyOct 8, 20155 votes

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Its hilarious how all negative comments about nasus and how op he is come from low elo players while higher elo players call him trash. " IT DOESNT MATTER IF WE ARE LOW ELO WE CAN HAVE GAME KNOWLEDGE QQ STOP HATING." Yeah, no. Gameplay and Balance again has proven that they dont know shit about this game.

Bronze and silver players need to lose the ability to upvote on these boards, the quality of discussion would vastly improve