Bot tower is gone, it mostly a gg game no matter what special when the bot lane win on it own without help.
And worst of all now few champions just very viable outside of 
and any general hypercrit champions = high chance of losing lane and game.
Highwiseene5 votesIt never was about who had the better ADC, it was about who won bot. ADCs have very little agency over their lane for a multitude of reasons, the exceptions being varus/ashe for their cc @6 and champs like cait who just have an oppressive laning phase. It has generally been junglers ganking/mids roaming/ tops tping down.
Now the gap is even worse since the impact of first tower is felt more due to the lower early base stats and increased item costs making leads feel that much worse. This is why people in high elo and scrims are playing bruisers and crap like vlad in the bot lane.
ValiantKiller1 votesIt never was about who had the better ADC, it was about who won bot. ADCs have very little agency over their lane for a multitude of reasons, the exceptions being varus/ashe for their cc @6 and champs like cait who just have an oppressive laning phase. It has generally been junglers ganking/mids roaming/ tops tping down.
Now the gap is even worse since the impact of first tower is felt more due to the lower early base stats and increased item costs making leads feel that much worse. This is why people in high elo and scrims are playing bruisers and crap like vlad in the bot lane.
True, i always know it not adc problem it problem of first tower gold the impact of 2players on one lane not to mention they are 2-5 players that mean they are 40% of your team. Like how many times i got rekt top after my bot lost not cause their adc was ahead but cause the brand support who came top and helped his top with his point to click r and ignite. Problem is first tower = much gold, 2 players make alot of damage to tower than one player in lane while they are 40% of them meaning 40% of team win while 1 player win in lane =20% only. Like that brand helped top while his adc kept farming bot under his tower safely while they ahead.
AFilthyCaitMain4 votesbc it feels even harder now to come back as the adc if you lose bot. every item is just so much more expensive
ValiantKiller1 votesbc it feels even harder now to come back as the adc if you lose bot. every item is just so much more expensive
And they still make 2/5 of the team
3411235456522 votesbc it feels even harder now to come back as the adc if you lose bot. every item is just so much more expensive
"even harder now" Implying that it was even hard in the first place prior to 8.11? Yea it must have been real hard for right clickers to turn on with just IE shiv for the previous year's ardent meta, relic shield meta, and following "better bot wins meta". Real hard.
AFilthyCaitMain1 votes"better bot wins" You just proved my point??????? If bot lane died, it was p much over already before 8.11.
ValiantKiller1 votes"better bot wins" You just proved my point??????? If bot lane died, it was p much over already before 8.11.
I wondering what he meant by his comment as well, like he prove your point that better bot lane will get lead and other fall behind hard.[zombie-brand-mindblown]
Daddy Ants2 votesThat problem is due to Bot Lane tower being as strong as a piece of paper.
ValiantKiller1 votesThat problem is due to Bot Lane tower being as strong as a piece of paper.
I did hear it doesn't have that early 5min damage reduction like the other mid and top towers, that is confusing me why 2 people lane doesn't have that by all means ?
Daddy Ants1 votesI did hear it doesn't have that early 5min damage reduction like the other mid and top towers, that is confusing me why 2 people lane doesn't have that by all means ?
You heard correct.
They removed it a while ago due to LCS Lane Swaps.
It's extremely demoralizing to get poked out of lane by bullshit that doesn't belong bot lane (
) and your tower is gone from full HP by the time you exit the grey screen.
ValiantKiller1 votesYou heard correct.
They removed it a while ago due to LCS Lane Swaps.
It's extremely demoralizing to get poked out of lane by bullshit that doesn't belong bot lane (
But still what is the logic that they remove such good effect from a lane that have duo players in it, like why not remove it from other lanes too ? since it pretty hard for them to take it down when it solo lane more than duo lane
Daddy Ants1 votesBut still what is the logic that they remove such good effect from a lane that have duo players in it, like why not remove it from other lanes too ? since it pretty hard for them to take it down when it solo lane more than duo lane
Wish I knew..
ValiantKiller1 votesWish I knew..
Like alteast they did put comment on that or nah ? just change it ?
ISeeDumbPeople1 votesyeah... basically loss of first tower at 6-7 min usually means I want to surrender right there because they go mid and take that right away too. Bot tower is just way too weak and its loss leads to a snowball you can rarely recover from.
ValiantKiller1 votesyeah... basically loss of first tower at 6-7 min usually means I want to surrender right there because they go mid and take that right away too. Bot tower is just way too weak and its loss leads to a snowball you can rarely recover from.
It worst when you playing immobile champion top lane or juggernaut then you have to deal with 3 people or even the adc and his support they will just out poke you and dive you even.
ISeeDumbPeople1 votesWhat do you think I usually play? yorick, malph, mundo, maybe garen... lol. Least with garen or malph if anyone comes I can make em pay. When bot rotates top I have to give it up 90 percent of the time unless the team reacts quick.
ValiantKiller1 votesWhat do you think I usually play? yorick, malph, mundo, maybe garen... lol. Least with garen or malph if anyone comes I can make em pay. When bot rotates top I have to give it up 90 percent of the time unless the team reacts quick.
I do play yorick, urgot and illaoi mostly so yah xD
Austin Covello1 votesYou're right. Look, ADC being strong or weak has nothing to do with bot lane being the Boardwalk and Park Place of SR. It's the fact that it's right next door to dragon, and dragon is way too important an objective ATM. So, secure bot lane == secure dragon == gg. If they wanted to shift the emphasis of the gameplay away from bot lane, they'd have to revert dragon to a mere gold-cow like it used to be, and there's your solution.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Austin Covello,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RRNYLVI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-09T01:46:28.174+0000)
You're right. Look, ADC being strong or weak has nothing to do with bot lane being the Boardwalk and Park Place of SR. It's the fact that it's right next door to dragon, and dragon is way too important an objective ATM. So, secure bot lane == secure dragon == gg. If they wanted to shift the emphasis of the gameplay away from bot lane, they'd have to revert dragon to a mere gold-cow like it used to be, and there's your solution.
Even the rift with all changes doesn't sound good, bot tower is always best, adc is the most important to snowball in game over the cost of your MId and Top.
ISeeDumbPeople1 votesRift is easy to claim once you free your bot lane to roam. Had a couple games with nunu where I went yeah maybe this can work... then bot lane loses tower so fast I can barely claim a dragon before they're roaming through my jungle, killing mid, securing herald and basically taking the map lol. But rift herald basically takes 2 to three towers for free if you don't have someone there instantly.
ValiantKiller1 votesRift is easy to claim once you free your bot lane to roam. Had a couple games with nunu where I went yeah maybe this can work... then bot lane loses tower so fast I can barely claim a dragon before they're roaming through my jungle, killing mid, securing herald and basically taking the map lol. But rift herald basically takes 2 to three towers for free if you don't have someone there instantly.
That is true once a bot lane roam, it mostly done for top lane and rift really.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesMy 15 cs @12 min Nasus from the last game would beg to differ.
ValiantKiller1 votesMy 15 cs @12 min Nasus from the last game would beg to differ.
Woah, that is something. But i talking about most of games not the chance that laner fail that much.
DW Diana1 votesThis is true, but also bot lane winning lane can sometimes lead to them screwing their laners. As a mid lane main I can honestly say my adc coming mid a FAILING to take a tower, while taking the CS for 6 waves, has caused me to lose hard won advantages on far more occasions then them coming mid has HELPED me. I'd much rather they just swapped with top lane like the pro's do and leave mid the hell alone xD
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RRNYLVI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-06-09T16:37:40.563+0000)
This is true, but also bot lane winning lane can sometimes lead to them screwing their laners. As a mid lane main I can honestly say my adc coming mid a FAILING to take a tower, while taking the CS for 6 waves, has caused me to lose hard won advantages on far more occasions then them coming mid has HELPED me. I'd much rather they just swapped with top lane like the pro's do and leave mid the hell alone xD
That is true once a bot lane roam, it mostly done for top lane and rift really.
[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RRNYLVI,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-06-09T16:37:40.563+0000)
This is true, but also bot lane winning lane can sometimes lead to them screwing their laners. As a mid lane main I can honestly say my adc coming mid a FAILING to take a tower, while taking the CS for 6 waves, has caused me to lose hard won advantages on far more occasions then them coming mid has HELPED me. I'd much rather they just swapped with top lane like the pro's do and leave mid the hell alone xD
But if they smart and they let's say got a combo of + they would let brand roam to top or mid to force tower while kai stay to farm abit and freeze lane under her tower that is deadly combo for the enemy top and mid laner really since kai already ahead and can 1v1 their adc while if support leave their adc to die in 1v1 in attempt to help others laners it just can't work.
DW Diana1 votesThat is true once a bot lane roam, it mostly done for top lane and rift really.
Not if they play it badly as seems to be the norm.
But if they smart and they let's say got a combo of
"If they're smart" - That alone means it won't happen 50% of the time lol.
ValiantKiller1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RRNYLVI,comment-id=000600010000,timestamp=2018-06-09T18:42:43.433+0000)
Not if they play it badly as seems to be the norm.
"If they're smart" - That alone means it won't happen 50% of the time lol.
"if they smart" apply with 50% of on my team mates somehow when the bot lane get ahead they really smart and do that to rekt me top xD