The Idea of Assassins is to burst ONE target and get out.

Guy Fox Teemo··4 votes·829 views

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She's by no means broken as she's easily countered, but can we at least make her an ASSASSIN, not an AOE Nuke Mage with resets who's melee. (She's not strong and easy to be, don't misinterpret the post)

(Read whats in bold before commenting please)

26 Comments

Player of Games4 votes

Low elo problems imo.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

I even specified it this time "Reads what in bold before commenting" are people really this stupid?

Kãtãrinã1 votes

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I even specified it this time "Reads what in bold before commenting" are people really this stupid?

Katarinas main focus is assassin secondary mage. Mages have AOE she fits both her roles fine. Clearly everyone here disagres with you anyway. Even in her lore she is doing multi targeted things. This piece from her lore ALONE describers her playstyle. she didnt wait between things she got a kill then started again the kit matches the lore quiet fine.

"Drawing her blades, Katarina swore the officer would die, no matter the cost. She leapt into battle, unleashing a whirlwind of steel. One by one blades flashed and guards fell, each strike bringing her one step closer to the officer."

ReshiKillim3 votes

Katarina was never really designed as a duelist or an assassin, but more of a murderous killing machine that will rampage through your team if you leave her unchecked. Her rise to prominence only really started after a lot of strong midlaners lost their super range or CC.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

No she was designed to be an assassin it even says she is in the champion thingy, when you click on them in your champions list. Anyway did you even read what I said? READ WHATS IN BOLD, she's means strong, but her kit is ridiculously terrible in terms of what an Assassin should be (Her kit also entices extreme snowballing which isn't good for the game)

ReshiKillim2 votes

I did read what you said in bold, and I agree with all of your statements except for the part being designed as an assassin. At the time she was designed, there were no clear cut roles other than "DPS, Sustain/Tank, Support". This caused her kit to not be fitting as a mage, nor as an assassin though she's labled one due to her snowbally DPS.

Ahri is actually in the same kind of situation as Kat here as well.

The majority of people who say Kat is OP, mainly started after Leblanc, Kass, and Talon got their gamebreaking power removed.

Interestingly enough, like Kat, Ahri who is also considered unbalanced by many did a huge amount of damage more while being more sustainy than the current live version.

(Funny how they're both hated more after getting nerfed and losing a huge amount of burst damage without much of a compensation..)

But until the Trio of Midlane Op lost their game breakers which caused Galio to lose his small bit of popularity, Kat was a decent but not considered a OP/game changing pick. Because all three of them utterly brutalized these two into obscurity, once the silencing demons vanished people didn't know how to deal with Kat/Ahri because their big counters lost a tremendous amount of power.

And it spiraled downhill from there into the often seen "Kat is OP Rito nerf plz" or "Ahri is broken champ"

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

I don't care whether she's strong or not, her lore and her how she looks and is perceived in general screams assassin, just like Sion screams AOE tank. You don't make a dagger throwing, assassin looking female, who's lore literally says "Assassin" and not make the intent of the champion to be an ASSASSIN.

ReshiKillim4 votes

Yes, her kit doesn't match her theme and lore. I totally agree. I'd have no problems whatsoever and would be happy if she got a re-imagining to fit her theme and lore, but such a thing is far off into the future if happening ever.

CieVona3 votes

What an assassin suppose to be? do you actually have downs. why are assassins limited to single target damage only? if you want to limit a champion to doing one thing only, go play something else.

Indominus Blade3 votes

rofl low elo QQ, Katarina is fine, might need a small buff. She is an AoE damage clean up Assassin.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

OMG ARE PEOPLE THIS STUPID, I'm going to quote myself, "She is by NO means broken" - DarkSoul245, this isn't QQ, this is her gameplay doesn't match the design she should be....

Indominus Blade2 votes

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OMG ARE PEOPLE THIS STUPID, I'm going to quote myself, "She is by NO means broken" - DarkSoul245, this isn't QQ, this is her gameplay doesn't match the design she should be....

Wtf are you talking about? Her design is an AoE damage clean up Assassin, not solo duelist Assassin. Stop crying.

HolyCrapItsMe1 votes

Apart from saying it like a complete asshole youre right, shes an AoE damage clean up assassin. maybe get to puberty before you post on online forums though.

Indominus Blade1 votes

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Apart from saying it like a complete asshole youre right, shes an AoE damage clean up assassin. maybe get to puberty before you post on online forums though.

Your opinion of my behavior has no value to me. Puberty? Did that a long time ago.

CieVona3 votes

Assassins aren't suppose to do aoe damage? where did you get that from? Runescape or WOW? also by your logic Hydra should be removed as well. Now the real question is are you missing a chromosome, and if so, plox contact your local waste disposal center to have yourself pick up before it is too late.

Player of Games2 votes

If she is by no means broken, and easily countered, why are you still complaining like a child? Get over the fact that you don't know how to play against her. AOE assassins exist Talon herp derp!

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

"She's by no means broken and easily countered" - DarkSoul245, yes I'm stating she's not broken easily countered, easy to be beat, I could careless about facing her. What I'm saying is her kit doesn't match what she was intended to be and what she should be. Talon's kit doesn't work either it's a kit with little to no counter play involved when he assassinates someone. He just goes in insta-kills then has no way of getting out. Bad design.

HolyCrapItsMe1 votes

A good talon doesnt need a way of getting out because he wont go in and insta kill when he might not survive it, do you want every assassin in the game to be like fizz? kill anyone with ease then escape without even trying, possibly even getting a flash for it!

SEKAI2 votes

Ahri

Vicarious1171 votes

No, she IS definitely broken.

I mean when Yi was first reworked he could reset his Q every few seconds while shredding down an entire team, so Riot said "those resets aren't fun to play against and too easy to abuse when playing as or with him," so they nerfed the fuck out of his resets.

Yet here's Kat, with more resets and arguably more damage and she's left alone..... yet cc her when she jumps in and blow her up, I know..... so what if it's a last pick Kat into a team that has no or very little cc? Well, you lose! What if her team is good at engaging on your team? You lose! What if she doesn't jump in first like a moron and waits for a good opening like all decent players should do? You lose! What if she's not the only person carrying on the other team and you have to use cc on them instead? You lose! Cause of the 0/8/3 Kat and not the other person carrying!

The problem is, you NEED strict counterplay and good coordination as well as the person playing her to be bad at it in order to just have the chance to win. It's broken as fuck, no champ should require THAT much commitment just to avoid an auto-lose....

Speaking of which... Yi is still broken in that same regard.....

Kãtãrinã2 votes

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No, she IS definitely broken.

I mean when Yi was first reworked he could reset his Q every few seconds while shredding down an entire team, so Riot said "those resets aren't fun to play against and too easy to abuse when playing as or with him," so they nerfed the fuck out of his resets.

Yet here's Kat, with more resets and arguably more damage and she's left alone..... yet cc her when she jumps in and blow her up, I know..... so what if it's a last pick Kat into a team that has no or very little cc? Well, you lose! What if her team is good at engaging on your team? You lose! What if she doesn't jump in first like a moron and waits for a good opening like all decent players should do? You lose! What if she's not the only person carrying on the other team and you have to use cc on them instead? You lose! Cause of the 0/8/3 Kat and not the other person carrying!

The problem is, you NEED strict counterplay and good coordination as well as the person playing her to be bad at it in order to just have the chance to win. It's broken as fuck, no champ should require THAT much commitment just to avoid an auto-lose....

Speaking of which... Yi is still broken in that same regard.....

Yi used to have a full reset on his Q and it was untargetable. he had 0 counter play. when he was AP one shotting with 3 Qs. Katarina is balanced or WEAK currently. You don't "auto lose" just by them having one and if you happened to pick 0 CC through your whole draft pick well your comps probable shit anyway since it has no lockdown what so ever for any threat. If kat was as freelo as you say id be diamond or masters, but no people know how to counter play her. She is super squishy even with rylias, hourglass, and abysall for some tanky yet damaging stats.

Vicarious1171 votes

She's freelo, as in a bronze player can make it to high silver-ish with just her, while feeding everytime they don't get their skilless OP champ.

Kat Head1 votes

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No, she IS definitely broken.

I mean when Yi was first reworked he could reset his Q every few seconds while shredding down an entire team, so Riot said "those resets aren't fun to play against and too easy to abuse when playing as or with him," so they nerfed the fuck out of his resets.

Yet here's Kat, with more resets and arguably more damage and she's left alone..... yet cc her when she jumps in and blow her up, I know..... so what if it's a last pick Kat into a team that has no or very little cc? Well, you lose! What if her team is good at engaging on your team? You lose! What if she doesn't jump in first like a moron and waits for a good opening like all decent players should do? You lose! What if she's not the only person carrying on the other team and you have to use cc on them instead? You lose! Cause of the 0/8/3 Kat and not the other person carrying!

The problem is, you NEED strict counterplay and good coordination as well as the person playing her to be bad at it in order to just have the chance to win. It's broken as fuck, no champ should require THAT much commitment just to avoid an auto-lose....

Speaking of which... Yi is still broken in that same regard.....

If Kat is last pick and your team has no cc, she can never connect to the game and most likely your team will still lose the 4 v 5 because your team has no cc.

Kat may have damage (if she gets fed or farms well, if not her base damages are complete garbage) but she has zero sustain and the lowest health of all melee champs. Kat is slightly under powered atm, partly due to meta and partly due to being over nerfed.

If by left alone you mean most nerfed champion in season 5, you are spot on.

List of nerfs:

  • Ultimate Cool down increased greatly

  • Ultimate base damage reduced

  • Ap scaling on Shunpo (e) drastically reduced

  • Base Health reduced massively

  • Health regeneration reduced massively (on a champion with zero sustain)

  • Passive: window for getting resets was nerfed massively

  • Base skin splash went from being awesome to trash (pet peev)

  • DFG removed. Not a direct nerf, but still a massive nerf to Kat basically forcing her into one playstyle. If you would like to see the compensation Kat received for the dfg removal, just look at all of the points above this one.


@ op - Katarina has not been a Assassin since the removal of DFG, with dfg Kat could assassinate single target carries. Now she has to be massively ahead to do that. Katarina is a clean up bot now, but she is still a lot of fun to play and my favorite champion.

HolyCrapItsMe1 votes

Dont forget the one that really put her in her place, the last minor decreases in base HP and regeneration, I think those put her in her exact niche of "blow up or get blown up".

HolyCrapItsMe1 votes

In my opinion the last update to her put her in her balanced place, even at full build she is really squishy, so without CC but a few hard hitting abilities you can easily prevent her from nuking your team, a team with little to no CC is always going to be bad, and will lose to a lot of other teams, and even if ashes ult is the only CC on your team its best to save it for kata, because to give up CC your team needs to have loads of damage, which means that if kata engages you blow her up, unless their team played better than you and you were cought with no HP and no CC. Ive never played kata, but I think shes totally fair as she is right now, if not a bit boring.

HolyCrapItsMe1 votes

She assassinates the enemy team when they reveal their weakness, when they run out of CC or have low HP she assassinates them, whether they 1 or 5.

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