Remove Death's Dance

Śhunpo··9 votes·1,601 views

item 3812 is just dumb.

Oh, you need an actual argument, can't forget about that since it's 2019. Well, in that case....it's an item that allows ANY champion in the game to receive almost 0 damage, assuming they can proc the sustain passive, which applies to.....all types of damage....meaning damaging anything with ANYTHING results in you actually being able to manage the damage-over-time passive.

For reference, Riven and Aatrox are the main offenders, like seriously, the moment they pick up this item they become nye-unkillable. Then you have Kat, Akali, Illaoi and ADCs as runners up, followed by everything else. However....just today I faced a Kha'zix that picked Death's Dance up as his first item, and he was quite literally unkillable until I had 4 items as Akali, and even then I needed my entire team to focus him down. Mind you, I built Morello's 2nd, so I had Grevious Wounds....

I used to think this item was cool and interesting, but after playing against it extensively as well as using it, it's simply not a fair nor healthy item. Remove this item from the game or change the damage-over-time passive to be far more volatile, forcing its user to hyper-sustain through it.

Side note: Gunblade should also be removed. As a Kat player I know from experience that an item like Gunblade should not exist as it provides far too much for its gold, especially on Kat, Akali and Kayle. Bring back Will of the Ancients, pleeeeease.

13 Comments

adceazyas1237 votes

tbh i agree. they already had a healing item with tiamat upgrade.

FioraWillCarry6 votes

Gunblade and DD are overrated in my opinion. They aren't that strong outside of the stats they give. They aren't that weak either but certainly not busted.

NY646 votes

Absolutely agree, this item is so stupid because it turns every assassin and brusier into a tank. I'm so sick of lifesteal items like Death's Dance where the more damage you do the more you heal. It's a horrible thing in the game because it basically says "With enough damage, you can become a better tank than a tank" Why are you rewarded with being tankier when you do more damage. The trade off should be you give up defense for damage.

ContDeCaterinca15 votes

3500 gold item. What would you expect?

xDogMeatx5 votes

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3500 gold item. What would you expect?

i expect more damage instead of more tank stats with also damage as a reward. it makes REAL defense items obsolete. a real adc defense item would be if (keyword here) maw gives 25 AD 40 MR with also a active that gives a 15 AD/lifesteal in the passive mode. it allows you to sacrifice damage stats for that situation. instead of 50 AD 50 MR stat it has currently. damage items need rework to some degree.

ContDeCaterinca15 votes

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i expect more damage instead of more tank stats with also damage as a reward. it makes REAL defense items obsolete. a real adc defense item would be if (keyword here) maw gives 25 AD 40 MR with also a active that gives a 15 AD/lifesteal in the passive mode. it allows you to sacrifice damage stats for that situation. instead of 50 AD 50 MR stat it has currently. damage items need rework to some degree.

Tank stats, excuse me? You need to actually hit something in order to use the lifesteal and sustain through the bleed effect. If you are CCed it doesn't over genuine survivability.

There are champion kits who can abuse Death Dance, the item in itself is fine.

xDogMeatx6 votes

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Tank stats, excuse me? You need to actually hit something in order to use the lifesteal and sustain through the bleed effect. If you are CCed it doesn't over genuine survivability.

There are champion kits who can abuse Death Dance, the item in itself is fine.

being a tank assassin is ok for a adc or any other type of champ that can abuse basically "immunity to damage because 99% is taken as DOT please heal up with already the amount of psycho lifesteal you have" tankier than tanks themselves you shouldnt need CC to stop someone like draven (example) if he Qs your team to death while face tanking the WHOLE teams focus thats just unbalanced how hes able to tank everyone. if you need CC for an ADC theres obviously something wrong with said items. CC should be used not on ADCs because that would be wasteful due to their 'supposed' squishy nature but these items make them a MINI tank. "hey i ult you with chogath and i got the "OK" to do so" -chomps R- "wait WTF why arent you dead??? oh thats right phantom dance obviously hidden shields saved them that is totally balanCeD/FaIr". CC is mainly for those like zed or yi due to higher up mobility which MEANS its CC well spent on them. using CC on tanks is meant to whittle them down so they cant engage but if you waste them on said tank RIGHT before teamfight thats when you lose.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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being a tank assassin is ok for a adc or any other type of champ that can abuse basically "immunity to damage because 99% is taken as DOT please heal up with already the amount of psycho lifesteal you have" tankier than tanks themselves you shouldnt need CC to stop someone like draven (example) if he Qs your team to death while face tanking the WHOLE teams focus thats just unbalanced how hes able to tank everyone. if you need CC for an ADC theres obviously something wrong with said items. CC should be used not on ADCs because that would be wasteful due to their 'supposed' squishy nature but these items make them a MINI tank. "hey i ult you with chogath and i got the "OK" to do so" -chomps R- "wait WTF why arent you dead??? oh thats right phantom dance obviously hidden shields saved them that is totally balanCeD/FaIr". CC is mainly for those like zed or yi due to higher up mobility which MEANS its CC well spent on them. using CC on tanks is meant to whittle them down so they cant engage but if you waste them on said tank RIGHT before teamfight thats when you lose.

You can hate on the item but please stop overexagerating. Doesn't make anything that you say any more truth and actually sounds desperate. YOU USE YOUR CC ON THE CARRIES! The hell is this "you don't use your cc on the likes of draven" nonesense?

xDogMeatx8 votes

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You can hate on the item but please stop overexagerating. Doesn't make anything that you say any more truth and actually sounds desperate. YOU USE YOUR CC ON THE CARRIES! The hell is this "you don't use your cc on the likes of draven" nonesense?

i dont hate carries themselves i hate the items protecting them to the point where you ask why do they even need peel if they got all the tankyness from the items? btw yes i did have a game where my chogath chomp was nulled even though i was given the "ok" im mad about that if it says "ok it will kill" IT SHOULD KILL no matter the "hidden" shields phandom dancer has. yes i like different carries styles i dislike drain tank items where said carry becomes a tank/assassin due to said items.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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i dont hate carries themselves i hate the items protecting them to the point where you ask why do they even need peel if they got all the tankyness from the items? btw yes i did have a game where my chogath chomp was nulled even though i was given the "ok" im mad about that if it says "ok it will kill" IT SHOULD KILL no matter the "hidden" shields phandom dancer has. yes i like different carries styles i dislike drain tank items where said carry becomes a tank/assassin due to said items.

So you are mad because of your own lack of attention and want to blame the items instead? Great logic you have there. What's next? "They built QSS but I all in them and they cleansed my CC the item isn't fair!"?

xDogMeatx8 votes

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So you are mad because of your own lack of attention and want to blame the items instead? Great logic you have there. What's next? "They built QSS but I all in them and they cleansed my CC the item isn't fair!"?

Qss I can say it's somewhat fair item since it requires a basically Bf sword deficit to nullify a key CC. It really is a fair item in all classes. Maw though isn't it grants a tanky amount of MR WITH A GODLIKE shield it's almost as if they don't want the user to die by burst from a mage a more balance maw would go 25 ad/35 mr while granting 25 Ad on shield activation plus bonus lifesteal that would actually be more counterable since you wait/bait the shield out. Phantom dancer again shouldn't give (again) hidden shielding hp on chogath got if a burst exceeds their hp bar to the point where god can't save you then it should go right through.

You never answered my question though why do adcs need any peel if they are immortal if you don't CC them. They obviously don't deserve it since they can face tank a whole team by themselves.

Śhunpo8 votes

No, the item itself is a flawed design. Sustain of this level should not be accessible to general AD damage dealers.

xDogMeatx6 votes

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No, the item itself is a flawed design. Sustain of this level should not be accessible to general AD damage dealers.

The item has a place in sure of it. Decrease the bleed/lifesteal effect/Ad to 60 blood thruster just needs a shield nerf honestly a adc having 350 (that's not including phantom dancer/teammates) bonus health is very powerful.

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