she definitely deserves to get changed like Veigar. She basically has all the problems that were thrown at Veigar to force him to lose most of his power.
unavoidable AOE CC (stun up more often than old veigar) lack of counterplay huge single target burst with a unavoidable stun
I was pretty upset that they changed veigar but even more upset that Annie has the same exact problems stated yet remains the same, infact she even got a buff.
Sirsir4 votesYeah, where is her 'compensation' for DFG. She really needs one ;)
EndlessSorcerer3 votesVeigar could save his stun for when someone engaged on him while still farming and poking using his abilities in lane. Even if Veigar missed his stun, it still served as good area control to prevent people from passing through the area.
If Annie uses her abilities to farm or waveclear, she loses her stun and is vulnerable. She also has a far shorter effective range, so a lot of ranged champions can poke her without issue. She's mostly strong against heavily mobile champions, since her CC can be instant or targeted and she has heavy burst.
I didn't really agree with the Veigar changes since I never had an issue with him previously, but you can't really just take one statement about a champion's kit and apply it to other champions, since you are most likely missing context.
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SwapShadows1 votesActually that's the exact reason he got changed. For having a no counterplay stun with huge burst, reading instead of making assumptions helps.
Btw he will never be buffed into a tier where he is viable, without his old stun he can't do anything against any champion with mobility. Fun fact, even without mobility most champions can walk out of his stun.
insaiyanbacca1 votesfun fact: he can still press r and delete a carry
SwapShadows1 votesfun fact: he can't
insaiyanbacca1 votesAll he lost on his ult was a .2 ratio nerf while i admit thats a reasonably sized nerf he still has the ability to press r and tell a squishy carry they cant play the game. And all these people sayng veigar is now uselss cause the stun nerf tbh his stun needed a nerf it was unhealthy and he can still pump out huge amounts of damage.
ShieldWriter061 votesBut so does Annie...
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SwapShadows1 votesHe was viable, just underplayed.
pre-VU twitch was the best ADC but was underplayed because of his looks, after VU everyone discovered how godly he was
ZephyrDrake2 votesi didn't knew that Annie had a huge AoE stun that was up as often as Veigar's stun
IcyPepper1 votesi didn't knew that Annie had a huge AoE stun that was up as often as Veigar's stun
unavoidable AOE CC (stun up more often than old veigar)
I think he meant the aoe cc is unavoidable, while her passive is up more often than his stun.
ZephyrDrake1 votesI think he meant the aoe cc is unavoidable, while her passive is up more often than his stun.
she has 2 AoE skills one that literally needs to be used in your face for it to work and Tibbers... Tibbers =/= Veigar's stun in terms of how often it is up
DrCabes2 votesIf they do nerf her tibbers stun I sure hope they don't "compensate" for that by making her Q a skill shot that so the other laner can hide behind minions thus removing her best source of poke.
Bad Karma2 votesAnnie needs no nerfs.
SwapShadows1 votesYou know at least veigar takes down 1 person, annie takes down all 5.
Sailor Mint2 votesVeigar's E was more powerful than many champions' Ultimate. In some cases, most of their kit.
Very Hard Engage2 votes[{quoted}](name=Devi Freak Mint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8FxUK0eh,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-04-04T13:57:57.202+0000)
Veigar's E was more powerful than many champions' Ultimate. In some cases, most of their kit.
which is why it may have needed nerfs, but not a "healthy rework" ie mana cost/cd/range/stun duration/area size etc etc. before the delay. or a completely new ability would be better than this god awful delay ability.
