Ornn will buff every all Classes items except ASSASSINS!

Wukong Airlines·Aug 8, 2017·71 votes·6,029 views

==> ADCs + AA crit based champs [[ ]] ==> Bruisers ==> Mages ==> Bruisers and Tanks ==> Supports

What about 1 of the following items ? and no, before you rush the argument that is an assassin's item, NO, this item was damage wise/ %armor shred nerfed and got its HP buffed for bruisers, it was made specifically for bruisers.

I don't get it, you give Assassins 3 items only, and don't even include 1 of them in the Ornn shop?

Just can't wait for and to grab that super, and imagine the new provide crit-chance, cause that's all I can think about.

171 Comments

MuzétAug 8, 201734 votes

... Who got enough gold to build rabaddon anyway? How many times rabaddon is built over 100 games? item 3285 would have been a better choice to make it act on tower for example :< or Zhonya.

MAKE ZHONYA GREAT AGAIN.

SpecterVonBarenAug 8, 201727 votes

item 3135 Would be even better since everyone that builds AP can top off their build with it even if they prefer more utility or health AP items.

MuzétAug 8, 201715 votes

Yup. And the cost would be 3650 still less than Rabadon's. Perfect.

(In fact it wouldn't be perfect because it would add one more reaosn to pick it over Rabadon's if you have an Ornn in your team)

It Hertz When IPAug 8, 20175 votes

Would also help out AP assassins. Win-win.

FilDaFunkAug 8, 20172 votes

Especially if it got extra armour or AP.

LordGeovanniAug 8, 20174 votes

i think forcing the rabadons as an option is great.... depending on what the extra thing it gets is

MuzétAug 9, 20172 votes

In before +15 more % on rabadon's passive > 50% more AP.

DJMason88Aug 8, 201728 votes

AD Assassins*

Legacy HydralphaAug 8, 201714 votes

My main issue with Ornn's item upgrades is that he upgrades Rabadon's Deathcap. If you look at the other upgrades he gives, they're mostly for core items. IE being core for crit champs, Triforce and BC for bruisers, Abyssal Mask and Sunfire Cape for tanks, and Redemption and Locket for supports. Rabadon's doesn't really feel like a core item, or at least not as much as the other items.

THE RlVER KlNGAug 8, 20178 votes

morello, rylai or ludens would be better

LimrickAug 8, 20178 votes

Rabadons is one of the few items every AP champ can enjoy, if it was Morello, that leaves out Vlad, Akali, and Katarina. I would prefer Void Staff, but Rabadon's makes sense.

yay nibbersAug 9, 20174 votes

The issue is not many AP champs are enjoying it all that much right now because it's such a pain in the dick to build it's almost better not to build it half the time.

Voluug13Aug 8, 20174 votes

Sunfire and Abyssal aren that much of core on tank though.

Jg tanks dont even buy it.

Sagan ForeverAug 9, 20173 votes

Ya, I do not like the tank items they choose. I thought they would do item 3143 , you know as a pure tank item.

Meep ManAug 8, 201712 votes

Most of the items were included based on if Ornn wanted to build them and how iconic they were. Ornn is not an Assassin and only Duskblade is really iconic among Assassin items, although Riot has stated they tried it and found it terrifying.

Wukong AirlinesAug 8, 201719 votes

what are you talking about? we're not talking about his class here. We're talking about the items he's buffing ==> adcs. mages. bruisers. tanks. supports. why are we leaving the assassins behind? whats wrong with buffing youmus instead of d.b?

DrCyanideAug 8, 20177 votes

Twitter Post

Scroll down and you'll see this quote (which WAAA-too-many-A's-later-GH was referring too)

Q: Did you pick those items at random or did you have something in mind when picking them? A: Two main considerations - iconic and recognizable items in league, and Ornn would potentially want to buy this for himself.

SohleksAug 8, 201714 votes

I main AP Ornn the Tailor

item 3089

LordGeovanniAug 8, 20173 votes

if you gonna make a hybrid champion im pretty sure the preimere hybrid item in the game is item 3124 (even though item 3146 is good in any build ap or hybrid its subpar for people who can only use only ad but not still not as bad an item as item 3091 and i find uses for )

Golden Tager XAug 8, 20179 votes

Gunblade is the premier hybrid item, Rageblade is just a glorified devourer and gets treated like it too.

yay nibbersAug 9, 20174 votes

Youmuu's could be included in that though. If an item from way back when stuff was inspired by Touhou characters is not iconic and recognizable I don't know what is.

Zero Skill TankAug 8, 20174 votes

You don't want to give assassins this kind of free, permament advantage, because assassins are the best at snowballing small advantages.

I won't bet on it, but I'm pretty sure that there was assassin item upgrade planned, and Riot just scrapped it after internal testing, because it was simply too snowbally.

Ornn's passive will be cancerous one every class, on assassins it would be just too cancerous to justify with cool thematics it has.

AwesomeGuyDjAug 8, 20173 votes

You do realise its not free right? Apparently they cost around 1000 gold.

My Waifu VanillaAug 9, 20172 votes

I mean giving Duskblade like 100 AD or an even BETTER passive is just going to make people complain even more about the item. Heaven forbid they give Ghostblade like 50 MS out of combat or give any of the assassin items even more lethality.

PennsAug 8, 201712 votes

at least i can build item 3089 Fizz hehe

Wukong AirlinesAug 8, 20172 votes

won't do much if it provided CD only. xp

TotalJerkAug 11, 20171 votes

Fizz can build a lot of items that provide low raw AP and still do a shit ton of damage. Even if Rabadon's were viable it would still seem like overkill to me because Fizz just does so much fucking damage even without large amounts of AP. Dude has high base damage, mediocre ratios, and strong synergy with CDR and Sheen items.

Oakleaf RangerAug 8, 201711 votes

I never really believed that Riot favored AD over AP but damn does this make me actually question if they really do. The ONLY AP item is death cap and it happens to be the one least build among mages. Heck at least mages get 1, assassins don't get anything specifically for them.

item 3165 item 3027 item 3135 should have been on that list.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 8, 20173 votes

item 3001 ? It's an apbruiser/aptank/battlemage item. It might not be a good item on Lux Orianna Velkoz and the likes but it's still an ap item.

Sadly it's new passive drives it more towards being a tank item as most APbruisers want ROA.

Oakleaf RangerAug 8, 20174 votes

It helps magic damage dealers but its not something you build yourself if you primarily build AP. It also isn't an AP item since it offers no AP. It is a tank item. So for intent and purposes its a tank item not an AP item that AP champions benefit from when someone on their team (the tank most often) build.

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 8, 20172 votes

Like i said, APtanks/APbruisers/battlemages however you want to call it. Think Singed, Vlad, ryze, Cho, (when gargoyle isn't breaking him), etc who want both Magic damage and defenses OR are melee to close ranged AP users.

That's also why i'm sad it got roa's passive i really liked this item on singed but i like roa even more.

Oakleaf RangerAug 8, 20175 votes

Battle mages are not tanks and still build similarly to mages. Their items tend to focus on the AP items with defense stats like though item 3102 item 3151 item 3027 item 3157 but are not necessarily limited to just tanky AP items.

So unless the enemy team is really magic damage focus don't expect any to build item 3001 otherwise the stats are just worth it.

Tanks- Chogath Singed

Battle mages (aka not tanks) who get a little tanky but are still AP carries Ryze Vladimir

Shadow GilgameshAug 8, 20179 votes

I mean, yes, technically he doesn't buff one of the 3 assassin items, HOWEVER, I contest your claim that item 3071 buff doesn't count.

Almost every physical damage assassin builds BC as second or third item, virtually all build it before item 3814

Zed ? Builds BC Talon ? Builds BC MonkeyKing ? Builds BC Rengar ? BC Khazix ? BC Pantheon ? BC The only assassin I could find that doesn't build it is Nocturne , but he builds item 3031

Honestly, given how overloaded the assassin items are, I'm fine with their Ornn buff being on the bruiser item they all buy.

THE RlVER KlNGAug 8, 20172 votes

yah pretty much all AD assassins build BC as a second or third item

considering these are lategame augments BC is fine

there really should be two ADC and two AP augments

like one for rabs and one for like rylais? (for champs like vlad and taliyah and such as opposed to syndra/veigar/etc)

ie for crit, lord dominiks for pen? idk

AirKingNeoAug 8, 20177 votes

Onhit champions?

Kayle Kalista KogMaw

What are they supposed to build?

DuskDaUmbreonAug 8, 20172 votes

Likely Tri-force, as many on-hit champs also spam an ability.

Or, for Kalista, she'll take IE, as most marksmen do.

AirKingNeoAug 8, 20176 votes

Kayle doesn't build Trinity.

Kog'Maw barely builds Trinity.

Kalista doesn't build IE.

DoozkuAug 9, 20171 votes

Change the build then.

SithesisLordAug 9, 20176 votes

Oh sure, lemme change an item in Kayle's build and turn it from optimal to hot garbage.

DoozkuAug 9, 20172 votes

Having a super item is probably going to be stronger than any other item.

Besides, if he's being played toplane there's likely not going to be a Kayle on the team unless she's going Jungle. Some champs are designed to have strong synergies with others and this is no different. People are acting like Ornn is going to be in 100% of all games forever which just isn't true at all.

BoilTheOilAug 8, 20176 votes

they should have one for item 3124 or item 3153 also

DaNinadAug 8, 20175 votes

I'm permabanning ornn in ranked anyway xd

The12thman94Aug 8, 20175 votes

Different champs synergize better with some champs more then other(ex. Champs with knock ups are better with a Yasuo then maybe other champs). This just means that if you have an Ornn on your team maybe pick someone else. Also, assassins have little to no hard cc to take advantage of brittle which is another reason why you wouldn't want to pick assassins if someone on your team is playing Ornn.

GGLineaRAug 8, 20172 votes

Well yeah. Assassins can already oneshot most squishies with lethality, what you want to do MORE damage to them? It's already a contest of who blows who up first with assassins and adcs. lol

Sire HippingtonAug 8, 20174 votes

Same argument can be made about everything though, adc have more than enough dps and the crits burst enough already, burst mages can also onecombo squishys already, so what's the point of an improved Ie or rabadons by your logic?

GGLineaRAug 8, 20172 votes

Nothing.

It's uneccesary.

And who the fuck even builds rabadons anymore? It's the least cost effecient ap item I can think of.

EDIT: Lol the downvotes. I'm not wrong, fellas.

LauchmelderAug 8, 20173 votes

Veigar

GGLineaRAug 8, 20172 votes

Great... So... One champion can build it reliably. Great.

EarthyMadnessAug 8, 20171 votes

The buffs are limited in what they can do. You have to make it balanced, but worth the cost. And since it can only upgrade existing effects, that means more lethality. Since lethality is already part of the problem, it does the job. Riot doesn't want to let assassins one-shot tanks as well. Think about Duskblade with 75 lethality, with the passive procing for an extra 25-50 damage on-hit. That would be the gold-efficient "ornn upgrade".

That's why they haven't done it. It would be busted.

SohleksAug 8, 20174 votes

It don't think it would be busted. Remember, the upgrade is not free. The power there is purchased as an opportunity cost of something else. Unless we get to full item slots. But at that point assassins are hardly a problem.

It makes no sense to not provide an AD caster option that is not black cleaver as they will probably end up choosing another one of Ornn's super items down the line. Most likely Cleaver. Or maybe IE.

MAYBE it is they don't want Ornn and only Ornn to open the door to a lethality first purchase item ADC again. But have to remember it is still a larger gold investment. If Ornn himself did enable that I don't think it would necessarily be unbalance-able.

Not that we even have a clue how much of an upgrade these 1000g upgrades are yet. But I'm getting the feeling they won't necessarily be must rushes.

It is not a good reason in my opinion to directly exclude a class of weapons from his wares. Ornn's teammates can only choose 1 special upgrade and it costs 1000g for the non support stuff. That's plenty of control...

Really I think the lack of an AD caster item is just a symptom of Riot's apathy toward the low elo terrors.

My other guess is that none of these 1000g upgrades are gonna pop out until 6 items by that point it makes less sense to support a flat lethality item. But that'd be a somewhat weak implementation of his passive imo if all the upgrades were just overpriced stat boosts for late game.

EDIT: Wow that's exactly what they are: not really worth until 6 items + elixir and maybe one item swap. zzzzzzz. Doesn't even exist most games and even then completely lacking as a decision point. I was hoping for amped up passives to make each upgrade unique and possibly contend earlier.... Stat ups that late hardly mean anything. Maybe in the future...