Champs like this are why top is bad.

greekvandaL··2 votes·863 views

Gnar Kennen and tanks.

Champs like this shouldnt go toplane imo. Its for one toxic to play against for almost all melee matchups and they are also hard to punish thus promoting bad players havign the same impact as good players. Not only that they also scale regardless of how badly you shut them down meaning any aggression is almost irrelevant unless your champ can instantly rotate the lead to another lane which translates to the point of unless you manage to cheese a kill early your champion cannot do what it wants to do aka skirmish. And with how broken adc and support is atm it makes farming to scale also pointless.

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DeathBurst3 votes

So, as a big Tank player, where am I supposed to play my champs if not Top?

Ralanr2 votes

Probably Support. That’s the general feel I get from people who think tanks shouldn’t go top.

Not that I agree.

greekvandaL1 votes

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Probably Support. That’s the general feel I get from people who think tanks shouldn’t go top.

Not that I agree.

i want tanks in the jungle.

Ralanr1 votes

See while I’d like that, the jungle meta is always so wildly contested that it could shift champions out super easily.

Trying to compete with Lee is often a huge pain.

greekvandaL1 votes

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See while I’d like that, the jungle meta is always so wildly contested that it could shift champions out super easily.

Trying to compete with Lee is often a huge pain.

Gut lee nobody likes him anyway. He is an easy low risk champ.

256Bit1 votes

Do you even play lee? If you do its probably at a low mmr

Bottles The Pimp2 votes

Also this

greekvandaL1 votes

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Do you even play lee? If you do its probably at a low mmr

challenger mmr flexlast year with friends like consume wolf bignig Pon yeh i did.

256Bit1 votes

OK. and you play on EU... you should know that a good lee is a complete game changer as opposed to a bad one, and he takes practice to not mess up an insec and know when to go for big plays.

Nothing about lee is low risk, or easy at your level.

I Like Teemo5 votes

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i want tanks in the jungle.

no gap closers, no leaps, no stealth, just low range cc.... yup cuz that would be a good ganking champion

greekvandaL1 votes

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no gap closers, no leaps, no stealth, just low range cc.... yup cuz that would be a good ganking champion

Maokai Alistar ( yeh i like him jungle A LOT.) Nautilus if they buff him.Rammus Zac Shen Olaf etc all these can engage. A DONT START ME WITH THE SUBCLASSES. they are tanks or theyare built as bruisers by some.

I Like Teemo2 votes

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Maokai Alistar ( yeh i like him jungle A LOT.) Nautilus if they buff him.Rammus Zac Shen Olaf etc all these can engage. A DONT START ME WITH THE SUBCLASSES. they are tanks or theyare built as bruisers by some.

Alistar not a junger Nautilus also not a jungler, and 90% of the time not a tank if jungling

Rammus no gap closers, no leaps, no stealth, just low range cc.... he gets to move fast Shen not a jungler Zac <---- tank jungler Olaf <---- not a tank, "bruiser"

Ornn Galio Blitzcrank Garen Illaoi JarvanIV Malphite TahmKench Volibear <---- tanks no one plays jungle, because they don't wanna be flamed by their whole team for "no gap closers, no leaps, no stealth, low range cc, no burst, single target cc, not a jungler, didn't build tank" not to mention how ridiculously underpowered they are compared to playing them in their actual best roles like support and top lane

ide also like to point out champs like Shyvana LeeSin Udyr Warwick usually get free and undetected level 2/3/4 dragons very consistently because of how easy they can do them

and how rare it is for tank junglers Zac Sejuani Rammus to sneak a level 3

Ralanr2 votes

No offense but Volibear, Garen, Illaoi, and J4 aren’t Tanks.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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No offense but Volibear, Garen, Illaoi, and J4 aren’t Tanks.

cinderhulk jarvan = tank volibear... completely unplayed but he is a tank garen... hes either a tank with 6k hp... or an armour shredding lethality 1 shot baeblade illaoi.. okay shes not really a tank but with 3-5k hp at full build she might as well be

Ralanr2 votes

Builds do not determine if a champion is a tank or not. Those champions are juggernauts.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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Builds do not determine if a champion is a tank or not. Those champions are juggernauts.

what? do u even know what u are talking about? do u remember tank Ekko? yea hes a mage and guess what.. people bought TANK ITEMS on him and it was therefore called TANK EKKO

https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/tank-ekko-on-top-season-7-461033

the classification of a champion means LITERALLY NOTHING for melee champoins if played in anyway other then the exact way the classification is supposed to be played

Ralanr1 votes

Tank Ekko (and honestly Ekko’s main problem imo) could actually function as a tank because of how his CC worked. He wasn’t supposed to be a tank but the build ends up popping a lot because of how his kit works.

Garen isn’t a tank because his kit doesn’t have the CC to Support it. Lucien doesn’t suddenly stop being a marksman and starts being a tank because he builds full tank. He’s just a very poorly built marksman.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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Tank Ekko (and honestly Ekko’s main problem imo) could actually function as a tank because of how his CC worked. He wasn’t supposed to be a tank but the build ends up popping a lot because of how his kit works.

Garen isn’t a tank because his kit doesn’t have the CC to Support it. Lucien doesn’t suddenly stop being a marksman and starts being a tank because he builds full tank. He’s just a very poorly built marksman.

urgot is the only ranged champion that can be a tank anyway... and yea garen can absolutely be tank... he may not be the best man for the job but item 3083item 3075item 3047item 3742item 3071item 3800 on any melee champion makes them basically Rammus

Ralanr2 votes

That doesn’t make Garen a tank. He has no way to start teamfights or deny them. No hard CC for anything.

Champion kit is more important than build.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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That doesn’t make Garen a tank. He has no way to start teamfights or deny them. No hard CC for anything.

Champion kit is more important than build.

: ^) trolling cuz your clueless, makes sence

go play ap kled and tell me build doesn't matter

Ralanr1 votes

It does matter. That’s why AP Kled doesn’t work.

But build doesn’t determine class. Kled isn’t a Mage because he’s suddenly builds all AP.

Bottles The Pimp3 votes

Amumu Not on the list item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

greekvandaL1 votes

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Amumu Not on the list item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

i'm sorry lmao

Bottles The Pimp1 votes

Anyway I think most meta tank jg's have pretty good ganks. Amumu Rammus Sejuani Zac and Warwick Are pretty strong right now in the meta. Or at least strong enough. I do agree that ranged harrass champs top are fucking stupid for top lane though. Gnar just counters everything. I think his kit is fine just take the slow off of his q, nerf his q cooldown reset, and nerf his % health ratios and he'll be a healthier top lane, but I don't see Gnar that often, and I don't really see him become THAT much of a problem for me.

I'd even trade a nerf for his Mini Gnar form to buff his mega form. I think his laning is the worst part about going against him not his team fighting.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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Amumu Not on the list item 3070 item 3070 item 3070 item 3070

haven't seen amumu played in like almost 2 years, completely forgot he was in the game

but grats mumu on being the only good 100% tank jungler in the game but being so bad that no one remembers your a champion

Bottles The Pimp1 votes

He's not the only good tank jungler. The reason you don't see him that often is because Sejuani was(and still kind of is) a better Amumu.

DeathBurst1 votes

Playing against a Tank Top might be boring. Might.

But playing AS a Tank Jungle is miserable. Your clears are slow, your dueling power is weak. Sure your ganks are nice, but if you get invaded or counter-ganked, you're gonna lose. Thank you very much, I'll stay Top.

DeathBurst1 votes

I don't just "not agree". I heartily disagree.

I Like Teemo1 votes

the problem with this theory is when you send a squishy top the jungler and enemy top lane just obliterate you.... if u played Brand a champ with no escapes and Jayce and RekSai jump on top of you.... you don't even get to flash before u die and even if u don't die.. you don't have sums anymore sooo prepare for round 2 the moment u overextend

"Not only that they also scale regardless of how badly you shut them down"

tanks full build is on average 2000-4000 gold less then that of bruisers, assassins and mages and most tanks have abilities that scale with how much armour/health/magic resist they have... well if you get more efficient stats, faster item power spikes, cheaper full builds and have an advantage in 2v1's vs squishies...

"Champs like this shouldnt go toplane imo"

why would you not play a tank top lane?? you don't have burst at level 6 like assassins, you don't have range if your a melee tank... you cant go mid because everyone outranges you instantly and the tanks that do end up going lethality and pretend they are assassins (lee, riven, jarvan, garen)... your not ranged so going bot lane vs 2 ranged (one ad and one ap) usually would suck... and almost all tanks don't have instant gap closers or ranged cc, and with how insanely fast jungle clears are they don't get a chance to out gank jungers like khazix, lee sin, shaco, jax

"how broken adc and support is atm"

what? you really think this? ive had and lived through games where you cant blink and you get one shot

the only thing broken is whatever riot decides is "the flavour of the month" pick... like how gp has been god tier since klepto came out and hes getting nerfed 2 months after when ezreal got nerfed twice in a row in 8.1 and 8.2.... sure if by "adc broken" you mean the 4 most meta adc's are strong.. you dont see "ashe, sivir, kindred, graves, quinn" (marksman) adc very much do you? misfortune, xayah, caitlyn, ezreal, vayne.. they were all op for a while... ez got 2 nerfs in a row, vayne got nerfed a little, arie got nerfed, percision got nerfed....

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redniwediS1 votes

But if tanks stop coming top, I'll have to fight non-tanks with my Juggernauts. As someone who quickly teaches Gnar players to avoid me when they hit Mega form I really enjoy shreading tanks with my Juggernauts.

I Like Teemo1 votes

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But if tanks stop coming top, I'll have to fight non-tanks with my Juggernauts. As someone who quickly teaches Gnar players to avoid me when they hit Mega form I really enjoy shreading tanks with my Juggernauts.

"Juggernauts" "shreading tanks" darius/yorric main... got it

redniwediS1 votes

Garen actually. I don't play Darius, and I just purchased Yorick last week.

Colgate Gator1 votes

Hashinshin, is that you? I'm glad you changed your Summoner name to something more fitting.

greekvandaL1 votes

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Hashinshin, is that you? I'm glad you changed your Summoner name to something more fitting.

at least has is d1 even if he bitches about the game lawl git gud

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