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Can we please do something about Shyvana?

Tusutaki·11/6/2018, 5:58:21 PM·2 votes·2,022 views

I dont know for how long but it feels like she's been weak for years. Its not her kit thats holding her back persay but more along the lines of her numbers on her skills.

Her passive is heavily dragon reliant. In worst case scenarios it will become literally non existent. In more favorable scenarios you will most likely obtain 2 dragons for a grand total of 10 armor and MR.

Q has been gutted by 20% across the board on top of having a high CD of 9 seconds which is almost always leveled last. The .5 CDR hardly helps until you have items with attack speed.

W is fine for the most part. Would rather have a gradual speed boost than a decay and the duration to be just 7 seconds rather than 4-7 via extending it.

E is probably the most frustrating due to it's initial cooldown being 12 seconds but most of all being a delayed ability. Meaning it has a cast time. With it being her primary source of damage, it is way too punishing for the benefits it provides.

R is fine the way it is.

So what is her general purpose that other champs couldn't already fulfill and does her job better? As for what to change to not make it feel like you're gimping yourself by playing her? I dont know atm. For sure change the passive and make E's cast time more instant but thats all I got. Oh and would also revert the Q nerf but thats me personally.

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Noor Sakata11/6/2018, 6:02:00 PM2 votes

She was pretty strong this season until they nerfed Press the Attack because she was REALLY abusing that key stone

The Ecdysiast11/6/2018, 6:02:38 PM1 votes

That's just how it is, man. They can't make all 137 champions have truly unique strengths because they need to have these defined classes to balance their items. And what we end up with is champions who are at the top of their respective classes, leaving others in the dust. Unfortunately we also can't have champions that are too similar in their ability sets, or they lack individuality and bans mean nothing.

So what you're asking, that an AA based fighter be shoved higher up in her class, is going to land on deaf ears. The fact is, she doesn't do her job the best. And she isn't supposed to.

Brutalitops0111/6/2018, 6:29:09 PM1 votes

Shyvana gets better the higher rating that you go because your teammates will be more active in trying to get dragons. That being said, she can very easily be a strong champion in lower rating, too. People won't actively try to deny you dragons as much and you can take over the game with relative ease if you play her well. Ganking from behind lanes is very effective, especially after you hit level 6, and her clear speed is so ridiculous that she can keep her own and her opponent's jungles basically permanently cleared if you focus on that. She's also strong enough to fight a lot of other competitors, with her W and E both providing consistent damage. Granted, you will want to have your Bloodrazor, or at least the Recurve Bow for it, before you actively try fighting the enemy jungler too much. But once you have them, both jungles are yours and there's nothing your opponent can do to tell you otherwise in a 1v1.

LeftyRaydy11/6/2018, 6:39:03 PM1 votes

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I dont know for how long but it feels like she's been weak for years. Its not her kit thats holding her back persay but more along the lines of her numbers on her skills.

Her passive is heavily dragon reliant. In worst case scenarios it will become literally non existent. In more favorable scenarios you will most likely obtain 2 dragons for a grand total of 10 armor and MR.

Q has been gutted by 20% across the board on top of having a high CD of 9 seconds which is almost always leveled last. The .5 CDR hardly helps until you have items with attack speed.

W is fine for the most part. Would rather have a gradual speed boost than a decay and the duration to be just 7 seconds rather than 4-7 via extending it.

E is probably the most frustrating due to it's initial cooldown being 12 seconds but most of all being a delayed ability. Meaning it has a cast time. With it being her primary source of damage, it is way too punishing for the benefits it provides.

R is fine the way it is.

So what is her general purpose that other champs couldn't already fulfill and does her job better? As for what to change to not make it feel like you're gimping yourself by playing her? I dont know atm. For sure change the passive and make E's cast time more instant but thats all I got. Oh and would also revert the Q nerf but thats me personally.

She needs some type of CC in her kit probably a slow she feels terrible to teamfight with.

Profirix11/6/2018, 7:25:19 PM1 votes

I have to disagree, I think her kit IS the problem. The only other champion in the game without any form of inherent CC is Mordekaiser (and yes, I know her ult has a short knock-back but really, its not useful for anything but interrupting channels). Especially at low ELO, where players only play carries that are inherently lax on hard CC, Shyvana struggles to gank in a meta where ganking at level 2 is almost a necessity. This is almost entirely because Riot thought it was a good idea to nerf jungle experience and gold early on this season in an ironic attempt to force junglers to jungle for longer and have less lane impact (as if).

Don't interpret this as me saying that she is weak. She has a very strong mid game. But Shyvana is the embodiment of "farm your jungle, invade, and primarily ignore your lanes until 6." It isn't fun or engaging gameplay and it really doesn't work well in this meta unless your team is already winning their lanes. The only reason I end up winning my Shyvana games is because I basically just outfarm and outscale their jungler. And don't even get me started about her passive. I will just leave it at: if Shyvana is going to be forced to fight over dragon to even have a passive, she better be getting much more power for it. 10% bonus damage to dragon is really a pretty shitty passive on top of some 5mr/armor per dragon. At least let that bonus damage extend to baron and herald. Just saying.

Leto GT11/6/2018, 10:39:19 PM1 votes

What are shyv core items?

Bisaknosp11/7/2018, 12:02:10 AM1 votes

everytime shyvana is in a game shes just giga useless buffing her numbers wont help i think she needs some kind of update a different passive would be nice