"Champion X got nerfed, now they have only yy% winratio, overnefred, unplayable pls Rito fix"

Zero Skill Tank··31 votes·1,784 views

No.

Champion in question is probably perfectly fine, it's just when they were broken before nerfs, tons of scrubs got with them to ELO they can not play in with balanced champion, and now are regularly getting rekt.


Definitely not talking about certain douche ninja y'all just thought about. [slayer-jinx-catface]

42 Comments

Wolfram Oxford15 votes

I was thinking about chicken...

BloodyTompon3 votes

This makes me think Riot should release a new champion with a chicken resource bar instead of mana...

Spoofghoul2 votes

chicken farmer Nasus now he stacks chickens

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Well, same story.

redniwediS8 votes

You do have to take into account how long it's been since the nerfs. If the champion is perfectly fine their win rate will go back up as their play rate drops, but that doesn't always happen. Sometimes overnerfs do happen.

TheDevice2 votes

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You do have to take into account how long it's been since the nerfs. If the champion is perfectly fine their win rate will go back up as their play rate drops, but that doesn't always happen. Sometimes overnerfs do happen.

Poppy

AnonymousPoro3 votes

Fiora: "OMG RITO, GUTTED! UNPLAYABLE"

Just learn to play her and stop pissing and moaning because she actually takes skill now lol

SpookyNeedle5 votes

I love this comment… a lot. Fiora has never felt weak to me, even when everyone else built titanic and went grasp and I went ravenous and fervor.

Even if it's a joke, someone saying she's weak is a nice change of pace for these boards

LatetotheRace1 votes

I like Fiora's spot right now. She's the right balance of skill and possible aids for your opponent. As a top main (I personally only play against her) I see actual skill now instead of spamming Q with a full tank build. They have to actually decide when to make trades, how to use the parry, and how to set up ganks. It's are few things as fantastic as watching a good Fiora.

Bisaknosp1 votes

tbh i think she's in a fine spot right now

Chamuel852 votes

OP Champion X lost 5 damage at max rank on his Q. GUTTED. UNPLAYABLE!

Only Play Darius2 votes

Zed sucks though. Even Zed_Is_God and RedMercy have moved away from him lately.

Warlord Zudane2 votes

Eh... Zed still poses a good threat, but he's a little easier to avoid now. Getting away barely alive and hadn't touched him yet - but alive. I think that's balanced enough.

Handin Out Naps2 votes

He doesn't pose a threat at all. No one is playing him anymore because he blows lol.

getrektnoobsGG1 votes

Still maining him... still have 65% winrate.

I was Glad that he finally got nerfed.

Project omen2 votes

Another senario is playing a champion most people forgot about, get flamed for picking him because he has a "bad" win rate, even though I consider myself to be pretty decent with. Then the pros picked him (without rito buffing him or anything), and then suddenly he's a god and a pick or ban.

I'm talking about Vladimir .

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Another senario is playing a champion most people forgot about, get flamed for picking him because he has a "bad" win rate, even though I consider myself to be pretty decent with. Then the pros picked him (without rito buffing him or anything), and then suddenly he's a god and a pick or ban.

I'm talking about Vladimir .

I know what you feel. I used to play AD Fizz and lane Hecarim before they started to be used by pros. And people flamed me for doing that.

Frius2 votes

Aatrox balanced much?thats why shit playrate with shitkit of 0 dmg 0 tank

Bladerunner77772 votes

Hecarim V5.24

Michael Bacon1 votes

You do realize Zed has been hovering around a 46 - 48% win rate for several patches right?

GULAG 4 U3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Michael Bacon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=87KvGuvj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-07-25T16:06:21.493+0000)

You do realize Zed has been hovering around a 46 - 48% win rate for several patches right?

Meanwhile aatrox drops down by 9% in one patch and no buffs?

TheDevice1 votes

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Meanwhile aatrox drops down by 9% in one patch and no buffs?

Nobody cares about aatrox [zombie-nunu-tears]

Kingnewgameplus1 votes

Win rates don't mean shit.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Whereas winrates are not all impompasing of a champions overall performance, they can be a good indicator of whether a champion may have a problem or not.

Kingnewgameplus1 votes

So I'm on OP.GG right now. Wanna guess the jungler with the second highest win rate? Gragas? Rek'sai? Graves? Nope. Kog'maw. Wanna know 4th? Kayle. People fail to realize what data actually goes into win rates. Sona has had a high win rate recently because she's easy to play and can still be effective. Meanwhile Azir has a garbage win rate because he's a complex champion and people suck at him. You wanna know why Kog jungle has such a high win rate? Because nobody plays him. And if somebody is playing them jungle, then they probably know what they are doing, and if they know what they're doing, they're going to win. But if only 2 people play kog jungle and can consistently win with that, then there's no loses to counterbalance it, so their win rate is inflated. A couple patches ago, Lucian had the lowest win rate out of any adc while having a 52% pick rate. He was also unbalanced as hell. A while back Zed literally was banned almost as much as s3 kassadin. Shit win rate because people didn't know how to play him on the rare chance he wasn't banned. Do you see what I mean when I say win rates don't mean shit? There are so many little things that go into making them that they might as well be random numbers.

LatetotheRace1 votes

Whereas winrates are not all impompasing of a champions overall performance, they can be a good indicator of whether a champion may have a problem or not.

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IS3E531E3F9643911 votes

a champion is only playable if it's played in tournaments with succes, as decrees the sheep

LatetotheRace2 votes

Moo

Aids cuz League1 votes

I thought of Ekko cause you know, Kit Balance.

HaloDragonX1 votes

I mean, if you nerf Kayle jungler (by 5 AD, lol) and she hovers a very low jungle winrate and a very low jungle playrate, I think she'd need buffs.

Handin Out Naps1 votes

Nah Zed is actually just garbage right now. Haven't heard anyone complain about it though, too busy playing the freelo mages.

LatetotheRace1 votes

It's nice man, I never see him in ranked anymore. He's either not a smart pick, or he's just banned. It's a good day either way.

Tobias Brackner1 votes

People don't understand how trends get formed. You gotta sit on a champ for a while and see how they stabilize after the hub-bub dies down

Serika Zero1 votes

Wow, Zed's ban ratio dropped to 56%, "balanced"

GULAG 4 U1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=87KvGuvj,comment-id=0010,timestamp=2016-07-26T13:20:18.670+0000)

Wow, Zed's ban ratio dropped to 56%, "balanced"

There's nothing fun with zed oneshotting your adc and disappear 3 screens away. There's no counterplay to zed right now other than hard cc him once he comes out of ult, and if you don't play a champ with hard cc then ur fucked.

Serika Zero2 votes

yeh, that's why his ban rate is off the roof. Adcs have no counterplay available vs him

GULAG 4 U1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=87KvGuvj,comment-id=001000000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T11:30:19.667+0000)

yeh, that's why his ban rate is off the roof. Adcs have no counterplay available vs him

It's honestly the same for any assassin. I was playing kha'zix and get fed (Okay that happens all the time) and I saw ashe farming. She was near creeps but it didn't matter, I just e'd->hydra onto her and the wave as gone and I oneshotted her with a clean and perfectly executed combo.

Rengar oneshotting since he can jump on you has 0 counterplay as the adc or a squishy mage.

Talon blowing his combo and aoe dmg on you has very poor counterplay.

Leblanc just instantly deletes you. :/ She doesn't even need farm. I've played vs leblanc supports and it's disgusting.

Serika Zero2 votes

except, you need to be feed to do that with the other guys. If Zed is feed he kills you with just WEQ. Talon can easily pick off by your team mates after his 1 shot combo since it requires usage of R before hand for initiation. And LeBlank's one show will always be blocked by Banshee.

The only item as an ADC that you can buy vs Zed is GA, with 5 minutes cooldown. And your team also can't always capitalize on him killing you since his escape is very good.

Hence, he is hated by the community. Also the fact that you get an AD mid laner fucking up your team comp in most cases. So Zeds are hate by both allies and enemies.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serika Zero,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=87KvGuvj,comment-id=00100000000000000000,timestamp=2016-07-27T11:43:50.432+0000)

except, you need to be feed to do that with the other guys. If Zed is feed he kills you with just WEQ. Talon can easily pick off by your team mates after his 1 shot combo since it requires usage of R before hand for initiation. And LeBlank's one show will always be blocked by Banshee.

The only item as an ADC that you can buy vs Zed is GA, with 5 minutes cooldown. And your team also can't always capitalize on him killing you since his escape is very good.

Hence, he is hated by the community. Also the fact that you get an AD mid laner fucking up your team comp in most cases. So Zeds are hate by both allies and enemies.

Agreed. Take the upvote.

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