Then LeBlanc, Kassadin, and Talon should get their silences back. You all claim that an assassin with so many safety nets and burst capability is balanced but then cry when there's a mechanism to shut that cancerous shit down. Give back silence to these three if you're gonna keep making more champions like Ekko, cause it is hypocritical for them to be nerfed while you release these monsters and give them love taps.
Big Bang Bob44 votesYou see, the problem here is while the damage and utility 
provides is unreliable and/or delayed, 
and 
pretty much just click on you and blow you apart in a second while also having point and click silences to potentially keep you from doing anything about it (that is, if you manage to survive :P).
There are multiple mechanisms to shut down besides "I click to keep you from casting spells AND burst you down in a second! Muahhahaha!!!".
Borbland5 votesExactly this. Only the fact Ekko's abilities are telegraphed makes him not broken.
He can be counterplayed so easily if you know him well.
And it's an assassin hater that talks, I ban LB/Zed and Kata every game, because I most play stuff like Lux or Vel'Koz. When I face Ekko, I dont have much troubles, you can mostly dodge his abilities. Facing one of the others assassins in the most annoying thing in the world.
Only Play Darius2 votesLux can actually give Katarina a miserable time in lane before she has the damage to 100-0 Lux.
LeeDark1 votesYes, Kat endures 5 to 7 minutes of misery... then she gets angry and kills you... over and over again, for the next 25 to 35 minutes. The only way she loses is if she got impatient or angry too early and makes a mistake that you can take advantage of.
Only Play Darius1 votesLol maybe i'm just a shitty kat but Lux is the one champ I can never do well against in lane.
LeeDark1 votesIt's annoying at first, but she has two skillshots that cost a lot of mana, and you have a free instant escape. She can auto you a lot, but that's nothing more than an annoyance.
I Main Swain1 votesactually, a good kata can beat almost any lane opponent if she plays right, especially one that is skill shot oriented.
LegacyDAP4 votesSo you're saying they shouldn't have point and click silences, because they're not skill shots?
That's my least favorite thing to argue about, it's also proving the fact that they're turning League of Legends into a game about more skill than strategy.
Big Bang Bob4 votesNo, I'm saying you can't have point click CC, and point click intsa-popping power, AND powerful engaging tools.
Strategy is good, but CC in this manner would ruin it. The only "strategy" would be to not be a caster, where as other CC, skillshots, and on click alike, are made so that both parties can take advantage of positioning, timing, and the champs strengths and weaknesses.
LegacyDAP1 votesEkko's Shield, Stun, Slow, Passive extra damage, whatever you want to call it is a very huge part of his kit, it's his most overloaded spell. I honestly wouldn't mind Ekko if they just nerfed that w passive, It literally makes him such a good farmer and gives him such a strong early it's ridiculous. It's like a little bit worse version of Zed's actual passive.
And if the stun and slow went something like this
1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 (which max level it is a longer stun than it is now) and slow decreased over 2 seconds from 40%
Honestly Ekko would still be great, but it would remove the power to have an extremely stupid fucking strong lane bullying phase, but still increase his late game potential on the stun landing.
Edit: Ekko is point and click insta popping, strong engage power. I honestly don't know what you're saying here, or what your argument is. Since a lot of his damage comes from Ult and basic attacks. Ekko's Ult punishes any chasers preventing any kills when he escapes.
However I do agree on the nerfs Riot did to Kassadin and LB, not the newest pointless ones that made Kassadin tier 4, but when they removed that god awful silence. I'm just saying they're kind of pulling a Kassadin. They remove most of Kassadin's mobility, and his silence, but they they give Ekko insane engage power, and CC in one ability.
SouL1ess1 votesit's also proving the fact that they're turning League of Legends into a game about more skill than strategy.
I thought that was the designer's intent in the first place.
Crossette1 votes[deleted]
ElJanitorFrank3 votesBecause Garen is an assassin that can instantly burst you down.
That was sarcasm.
Narasimha1 votesWell, why do you think they removed DFG?
Ryuku Cruxis30 votesRiot hasn't made enough money off him yet.
His nerfs will come.
idoki3 votesNeed to release that Championship Ekko first.
IcyPepper20 votesEh.
Those champions' casts are for the most part instant. I'll give that Kassadin's ult isn't overbearing in my opinion, but otherwise yes.
Ekko gives me more time to react to his spells, so I tolerate him having a little more power than those three. I can say to myself, "Batter up? I have three seconds to do something." With Leblanc in particular, I get no warning when she does her instant PaC QRW combo. Talon I don't have issues with (being AD, at least he can take towers faster), and Kassadin isn't overbearing either.
But I will agree that Ekko is overtuned. I just can tolerate him because I can actually do something about it.
Kuroi8611 votesDifference between insta-burst and delayed burst.
IcyPepper2 votesAgainst Ekko, you got three seconds.
The counterplay is making them count.
KING OF MASKS9 votesAnd if you don't make the most of those three seconds... you don't deserve a single. Extra. One.
:^)
I Main Swain3 votesekko literally told us his counterplay in his teaser video
OyddAWqJ5r12 votesSure, but they have to be on a 3 second delay.
Now if you really think that's a reliable cc... well I feel sorry for you. Ekko not OP
TotN Titan10 votesWhy should champions get their silence back? I don't remember Ekko having a silence. This seems like a pretty dumb argument for them to "improve" a champion you used to like destroying mid lane with. You're going to need a better leg to stand on if you want Ekko to lose some of his power.
forist4 votesWhy should champions get their silence back? I don't remember Ekko having a silence. This seems like a pretty dumb argument for them to "improve" a champion you used to like destroying mid lane with. You're going to need a better leg to stand on if you want Ekko to lose some of his power.
Yah, his argument is pretty dumb, but i somewhat agree with the conclusion for different reasons. Also, you're making some pretty big assumptions, for all we know op has never played any of the champions mentioned and is simply using their kits to form a bad analogy.
Baby Ghoul8 votesI'm in this weird place where I don't think he's over powered, but I recognize how ridiculous it is that he has that much utility as an assassin.
I just think it was a mistake to create him like that, and it makes playing against him sort of annoying for most.
Rinky Dinky8 votesI wasn't aware had a point and click silence.
In fact, I wasn't aware he had any point and click cc's of any kind.
Oh wait.
He doesn't.
This thread is just bait for people looking for any reason to cry about ekko.
Learn how to pay attention in fights, and position.
Ekko is all about hardcore capitalizing on your mistakes. The fact so many people think he needs hardcore nerfs is simply because that many people suck and need to improve their own skills.
neoporter3 votesTechnically his passive is a point and click slow it just requires 3 hits.
I Am Florg1 votes"point and click" and "requires 3 hits" don't really go together.
BeatinWarDrumz5 votesannnddd the circlejerk is back again Ekko = yasuo 2.0 he'll get nerfed to oblivion (hes a little overtuned but imo the nerfs r too much) never be viable till his rework again
1lIUJevQK715 votes[deleted]
Slamurai Jack5 votesBullshit. Yasuo is still viable. Yasuo is currently a very balanced and rewarding champion, and still incredibly strong when played right. Just because you cant faceroll with him anymore doesnt means hes not good or "viable".
I really like what Riot did with Yasuo, tbh. They nerfed him enough times in a row to finally get the community to shut up about it and stop permabanning him, and then quietly buffed him up to a power level several nerfs prior a few patches later once the hysteria around him had died down. Yasuos win rate is 47.5% now, it was 44.5% right before they nerfed his health and MS, and it was 42% after they nerfed those, and he's been sitting at around 47% since they buffed his Q and gave 5 MS back. Very clever Rito.
Ace Access 4 votesekko tower dives with shield and blinky blink movement then ults to get free escape and heals.... balanced as f***, get rid of that heal for crying out loud and give him a mana cost
TotN Titan4 votesIs that any different than a Fizz diving you with his fish for the kill, then Troll Poling the tower aggro before dashing out? Or a Leblanc doing her distortion combo to you under a tower and jumping back out? I don't seem to see why this is a mechanic that you are having difficulties with. At least with Ekko you see him getting his W ready. Leblanc's combo is instantaneous. She doesn't get a heal, but she doesn't need it. She's safe of tower aggro and free to go about her business while you fester at the fountain. If you are low, you should know better than to just hang around under the tower, regardless of the champion you are facing.
I Main Swain1 votesand he is also incapable of bursting you down in time to ult out until he has a buttload of ap, and even then you can dodge a large portion of his damage. also, read the patch notes genius, they are giving his ult a mana cost.
Nameless Voice3 votesYour argument is kind of "I think Ekko is overpowered and doesn't have enough counterplay, so I think we should re-add lack of counterplay to other champions so that they can deal with him.
This is wrong for two reasons:
If one champion is overpowered or overloaded compared to everyone else, the changes to fix the situation need to be to that one champion, not to random other champions.
originary912 votesMight as well Buff Diana to release state too while you're at it.
EvilRabbitt1 votesI wish they would or zyra. Just to make people see how lightly broken new releases are now. Not enough to break the game like zyra/Diana/lb, but enough to promote sales via "free win offers".
Sachabot1 votesThen let's go back to release Hecarim, who literally broke the game upon release. That'll show 'em. XD Or pre-rework Jax or Karma with her 2k damage one-shot.
Seriously.
EvilRabbitt1 votesI can only imagine...
Davy Crockett2 votes
SILENCE!!!!!
Raid Boss Morde2 votesYes, let's give those assassins their point and click silences back because BALANCE. They got rid of those silences because they lacked counterplay. They pressed one button on you and then there was no way to fight back, and boom... you're dead. With Ekko, he has NO point and click CC, let alone a silence. His only hard CC has a 3 second delay on it, and that makes it extremely easy to avoid. There was no way to avoid the silences on the old assassins.
rtbf2211463931 votesThese champions had 0 counterplay(point&click silence with huge burst), you can't even compare them to ekko. He has a 3 second delay on his W and a 4 second delay on ult. If you get hit by these abilities then pls just uninstall.
Vincent Lucius1 votesHis ult is almost instant and can be used to dodge other abilities such as Cait's Ultimate, the fact that it pulls him back four seconds isn't so much a delay as it is an indicator. That said, yes, the indicator is an obvious sign of how to avoid his ult, although it is one that's easy to miss in the chaos of a teamfight.
Daxterr1 votesI just realized that ekkos team could have an advantage by using blue skins to camouflage his shadow
CoolKnightST1 votesI only thing I find anyoing to him is that he's capable to go full tank & still be usefull.
LittleBlast1 votesWhy cant champs be able to do different things? Him being able to go tank doesnt affect him as an assassin.
Vincent Lucius1 votesI think the issue that people are finding is that he can go tank and still function just about the same. He has decent base damages and scalings, so a little bit of AP on him goes a long way, he has good CC and he heals based on percent of damage taken, so his ult can still do damage in the middle of a teamfight and he can continue to tank for even longer.
It's similar to how people are with Thresh and the fact that he can perform multiple roles without much of a problem. It's awesome that he can do that, but it also makes him feel like he's ahead of the other champions who can't perform to the best of their abilities without building a certain way.
Honestly it would be awesome if more of the champs in the game were like Ekko with the ability to build multiple paths for different roles and still be useful, but while only he and a few other people have the ability I can see how other people might feel like it's unfair.
yukonl1 votesThis is my opinion but I'd rather face release Ekko than Leblanc, Kassadin, or Talon before the silence removals...
At least I have time to react before being blown up.
LordKentravyon1 votesTo be fair talon should get his silence back, he doesn't have the consistent safety of LB. Zed, Ekko, Katrina, FIzz, or the sticking power of Akali, Diana
DrNova1 votesAnother ekko qq thread.
