Ashe will be in need of serious compensation buffs come 8.11

Tusutaki·5/28/2018, 2:36:59 PM·3 votes·2,482 views

Now you would think "Why? New IE makes her crits deal true damage!" however this is not the case sadly. Much like Shiv crit proc, the true damage from IE is independent from Ashe's passive. Not only making her passive overall weaker but also a trap item for unbeknownst players. How does this maker her passive weaker?

As of right now with her base passive at 110%, buying IE and Shiv. 20(IE) + 30(Shiv) = 50% 50 * 1.5(IE passive) = 75% 110 + 75 = 185%

With 8.11 30(Shiv) * 2(IE passive) = 60% 110 + 60 = 170%

That is a 15% damage loss. The true damage conversion should make up for that but remember that it's independent on Ashe's passive. Meaning that she will deal around her original damage 60% of the time. Its even worse when she is full crit.

Currently her passive can go up to 260% with IE. 8.11 it will go down to 210% and with the IE conversion, she will deal about 241% in a perfect scenario like someone against the likes of Malphite. If I remember correctly there was a poster who listed out more detailed numbers since I am most likely being overtly generous with mine here.

Now I can understand why they made IE independent purely because of Jhin. However Ashe will be more punished because of this. I honestly think Jhin would be the least punished out of all the carries due to a lot of the items going to favor him more. If Ashe could actually go past the crit chance cap then I would be fine with this.

10 Comments

RedPannda5/28/2018, 3:12:10 PM2 votes

Always felt like her rework made her needlessly convoluted. And I really hate abilities like her Q and Swains Ult that you can't even use without a ramp up time that can be really hard to reach in the league of burst. But I guess there always has to be one champ that is hard cucked in every patch. Feels like its been ashe for a long time now.

Paroe5/28/2018, 11:12:52 PM2 votes

Ashe's passive in general needs to be reworked. Perhaps move rangers flurry there and turn it into an energized mechanic, then turn her Q into an ability that adds a 45% slow onto her basic attacks at rank 5, but consumes mana per attack?

CinnaBon Kittenz5/28/2018, 3:37:31 PM1 votes

tbh I enjoy your thread and opinion about this topic, have you ever tried the 1 rune that was made for hardcore ashes? Glacial Augmentation? Pair that with stuff you like to build and then exp the Double Slow from auto attacks. Makes ashe less reliant on dmg if she is ever behind which happens.

saltran5/28/2018, 4:55:35 PM1 votes

I don't think so, Ashe was better when other adcs were garbage since she still has utility.

Champs like Trist or Jinx will be way worse than Ashe in the next patch.

CrestfallenNight5/28/2018, 9:48:59 PM1 votes

Agree... Everytime my ADC picks Ashe I know we're prolly gonna lose. :/

D357R0Y3R5/28/2018, 10:33:14 PM1 votes

Then you remember how to play Ashe and builds item 3153 that is getting buffed