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Jhin is literally the only ADC who doesn't have a "fuck all melees" feature

Ahristocats·Jan 25, 2018·6 votes·2,857 views

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he's the master piece of league, literally the best designed adc not only his bullets have a reload but his W skillshot does not have a travel time but rather a long cast time, which means melee and ranged champions have the same chance of dodging it his ult does not work like this, but it makes him stand still

can't see any adcs like that has a perma slow has an undodgeable slow in melee range tied to a dash exploads instantly in melee range ult is undodgeable in melee range E hits more daggers the closer you are to xayah

every single adc has something that fucks over melees

except jhin

21 Comments

Kayn AkabaneJan 25, 20186 votes

Not entirely true

he has

his support :)

AlienPrimateJan 25, 20184 votes

MissFortune Jinx

[sg-lux-2]

I also don't see how Twitch has anything that hurts melees in particular. It seems to me that you try to make whatever BS arguments you can to make ADC's out to be the bad guys in nearly every single one of your threads.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20182 votes

alright, you got me with mf

MrHaZeYoJan 25, 20181 votes

She can build cleaver and ult a whole team dropping melees armor the build, that and the W speed up E slow, other then that tho ya.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20181 votes

it doesn't matter, it's as strong against ranged champions, they're going to get blown up as fast as melees which is fair

people didn't understand the point of this thread

bywords70Jan 25, 20183 votes

jihn is balanced, even when he was being used he wasn't overbearing. except now he is trash in this meta because being balanced means being trash

MordepoolJan 25, 20181 votes

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in this meta because being balanced means being trash

This explains the mass exodus from Toplane to a tee

RexxieeJan 25, 20182 votes

Yeah, except for when he builds attack speed and gets 800 ms every other second.

And except when he sits 3k range away from the fight ulting and pressing W, as obviously melee cannot reach him while every other adc has to go closer to actually do anything in a fight.

Cait E is one of the slowest dashes/easiest to interupt, very easy to gap close her if shes alone with any melee with a dash + CC, she'll just not kill you before you kill her since shes does 0 damage if you have a tabi now.

Ashe has 0 mobility, if you get into melee her permaslow doesnt do jack shit.

Xayah has short range and her E atleast can be dodged/flashed and doesnt work for chasing, her ult is on a high CD and is there mainly beause she has to get so close to do stuff (525 range).

All adcs can be played around as melee when alone (mostly, other than stuff like lucian and sometimes vayne, but vayne is garbage in 5v5s or sieges to make up for her skirmish/duel strenght), now when they have a support using the most broken and cheap items in the game the history changes, but thats not the adc's fault.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20182 votes

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Yeah, except for when he builds attack speed and gets 800 ms every other second.

show me a single jhin that builds attack speed XD

wait i mean a good jhin, not a terrible jhin

And except when he sits 3k range away from the fight ulting and pressing W, as obviously melee cannot reach him while every other adc has to go closer to actually do anything in a fight.

and then not dealing damage cuz it gets body blocked by tanks?

lol ok

Cait E is one of the slowest dashes/easiest to interupt, very eash to gap close her if shes alone with any melee with a dash + CC.

Ashe has 0 mobility, if you get into melee her permaslow doesnt do jack shit.

Xayah has short range and her E atleast can be dodged/flashed and doesnt work for chasing, her ult is on a high CD and is there mainly

it doesn't matter their feature was dedicated to fuck melees, that's the point of this thread.

RexxieeJan 25, 20182 votes

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show me a single jhin that builds attack speed XD

wait i mean a good jhin, not a garbage jhin

and then not dealing damage cuz it gets body blocked by tanks?

lol ok

it doesn't matter their feature was dedicated to fuck melees, that's the point of this thread.

The point is that adcs by themselfes arent immune to melees, champs like jax and irelia can actually even right now murder adcs 1v1 even if they are a item down (unless its something like vayne, and again vayne is supposed to be good vs melees and bad vs ppl with more range or cc than her).

The problem is support items being broken, nothing else.

"but adcs items are cheap" so are tanks and supports, the game has changed into a fast paced deathball game with adcs, tanks and supports being better than every other class, blame riot not me for that.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20181 votes

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The point is that adcs by themselfes arent immune to melees, champs like jax and irelia can actually even right now murder adcs 1v1

1: i don't care about 1v1, high elo games are purely 5v5 + laning phase

2: even if they aren't immune to melees, THEY HAVE features that are dedicated to fuck melees instead of ranged/melees equally

you finally got it did you?

RexxieeJan 25, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7j5XgjwH,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-25T21:27:14.426+0000)

1: i don't care about 1v1, high elo games are purely 5v5 + laning phase

2: even if they aren't immune to melees, THEY HAVE features that are dedicated to fuck melees instead of ranged/melees equally

you finally got it did you?

They are deticated to help them kite and stay alive for a bit regardless of their target, and those abilities are for the most part weaker than its melee counterparts.

Compare caitlyn to jax (this works since they are both old champs), compare her E range and cds to jax leap strike.

Adcs always have some kind of tool to help them stay alive so they dont get murdered so easily (but still being weaker than bruiser or melee counterparts), its just so there is some interaction rather than "oh jax pressed E and jumped into me, guess im dead", the thing is support items didnt exist back then, and now they do and they are broken ,thats really the only thing that makes adc look much stronger than they actually are.

And game being 5v5 deathballs after 10 minutes of lane is a problem with the game flow, which again riot has ruined the transition of laning > mid > late game, nothing to do with certain classes power level (other than tanks being too safe/strong maybe, which enables those unbreakable deathballs in the first place by the winning team).

AhristocatsJan 25, 20181 votes

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They are deticated to help them kite and stay alive for a bit regardless of their target, and those abilities are for the most part weaker than its melee counterparts.

No xayah E is pointless against ranged targets for instance

Compare caitlyn to jax (this works since they are both old champs), compare her E range and cds to jax leap strike.

so? i don't see how it's relevant to the main discussion

Adcs always have some kind of tool to help them stay alive so they dont get murdered so easily

irrelevant to the discussion

the thing is support items didnt exist back then

irrelevant to the discussion

And game being 5v5 deathballs after 10 minutes of lane is a problem with the game flow, which again riot has ruined the transition of laning > mid > late game, nothing to do with certain classes power level (other than tanks maybe).

doesn't matter, i'm playing the game in 8.2, and apply the things that exist in 8.2

JackMcSnipeyzJan 25, 20182 votes

Ammm when you make such weak excuses such as "twitch explodes you" you are really pushing it, i can make anything sound OP. Jhin snares you from point blank range "impossible" to miss. Jhin slows you with traps he puts under him undodgeable. Jhin gets movespeed from hitting enemies helping him kite.

See? i can make even the weakest current adc sound OP with the power of exaggeration.

chipndip1Jan 25, 20181 votes

You're upset that skill shots are hard to dodge in melee range.

However, melee champs have generally hard to avoid moves at that range, anyway.

JustMonika13Jan 25, 20181 votes

Hey, I love Jhin too, and I’d also argue that he is one of the best designed champions in League... but Jhin gives melee the middle finger every time he crits and hits W. He’s still a kiting maestro.

Also W does in fact have a travel time, as incredibly fast as it may be. Projectiles in League are defined as having both a travel distance, and a travel time. Which is why despite all the bitching, Yasuo blocks stuff like A Sol Q, Fiora parry (yes, there’s a blue (gold if CC is parried) energy projectile on it), and Ornn ult (no it’s not a fucking minion).

Jhin’s W is blocked.

AhristocatsJan 25, 20181 votes

it doesn't matter, the bonus movement speed jhin gets is as strong against melee champion as against ranged champions

things like caitlyn's E being unable to miss in melee range while being perfectly dodgeable from range is not

also jhin builds few crit and attack speed items nowday

JbelsJan 25, 20181 votes

I have to agree, Jhin is literally the best ADC in the game, and my favorite ADC to boot. Just to give that first sentence a bit of weight, I despise the ADC class in League. I think its the worst designed, most pandered to, most unbalanced class in this game. But Jhin is an exception to the rule.

Dead flag bluesJan 25, 20181 votes

Except Jhin has burst damage, not sustained damage as ADCs (marksmen) should have

JamenawerlJan 25, 20181 votes

As a Jhin main i have to agree. Best designed champion in the game. Feels fucking amazing to play as and against. His kit just feels so fluid and "artistic" its unreal.

I dont understand how the moron who designed Vi and Ekko could make this piece of art.

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