the fuck you mean mate? kennen can instakill your whole team just with proto+zhonya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ARldiVGwm8
this stupid piece of shit has one of the best laning phase ever, gets a brand lvl of AOE damage combined with AOE cc and can be untargable since zhonya is a core no matter what's the enemy team.
people are just running out of ideas to defend cancer.
Veltox41 votesBefore this circlejerk people barely knew 
actually existed besides one tricks.
Knoyle19 votesThe changes to his ult really put him in a good spot tbh
Sebbo the Plebbo28 votesIt wasn't only the change to his ult though. The item changes in the mid year mage update were perfect for him. The holy trinity of 
gave him everything he could possibly want:
All this packed into 3 relatively cheap items with flexible build paths that allow itemisation in the laning phase? Combined with the buffs he got in the mid season update I'm suprised people weren't complaining about him sooner
PlanetWarwick1 votesI just stopped playing kennen after worlds. Protoype isn't that big a powerspike, it's mainly just the Hextech revolver. Prototype honestly doesn't get used effeciently laning-phase wise and it's hard to time well. Besides, Kennen's only legit engage is flash unless your entire team decides to facecheck an unwarded bush.
AirKingNeo13 votesProtobelt is cheap and does a ton of damage. What patch are you on?
Pope Glitterhoof5 votes
- AoE Magic penetration approximately the same size as his ult
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Can people stop calling 's passive Magic Penetration? It's Magic (Resist) Reduction. Huge difference. I can explain to you if you need an explanation.
Skaiserus3 votesI need one, because I never understood the difference.
Pope Glitterhoof5 votesMagic Penetration, of which the effect is discernible, only benefits the wielders of Magic Penetration items, runes and masteries, depending on how much Magic Penetration they severally and individually acquire.
Magic Reduction on the other hand, benefits the entire team, and can be clearly recognized by reading the targets' magic resist statistic. The whole team will deal increased magic damage (if any) to these targets because of the reduced magic resist.
RisenDarkKnight7 votesAlso, flat magic pen is calculated after % pen (void staff/piercing thoughts), but Flat reduction is applied first, so it has less synergy with void staff.
Another thing is that flat reduction can reduce a target's MR below 0, so if you have like an Amumu on your team applying his passive to a squishy target with no MR items you can do more than true damage, but magic pen maxes out at full damage.
Pope Glitterhoof3 votesYes you are completely right.
@CerberusFury In case you are confused by RisenDarkKnight's comment, here's the summary:
's Percentage Magic Penetration is reduced by a bit if you buy as well)
Ziovi3 votesAltough it is pretty rare to reduce someone's MR under 0, but yeah, it's technically possible. You need some extra source of magic reduction, like amumu's passive. It was good to farm minions faster too, sending their MR to -20, but since 6.9 the aura only affects champions.
LordGeovanni1 votesthing is Magic pen is broken while the magic resist reduction is actually balanced. the thing is magic pen is too strong and magic resist is too weak
Cloud2733 votesBefore this circlejerk people barely knew
This is so not true. I've brought him up several times in the past. People just didn't listen. If getting played is what it takes for people to get it through their heads that he's broken, then I thank the pros.
President Swa1n1 votesI live for these circle jerks. Someone should keep an archive too.
Veltox2 votesThe only entertaining part are poor arguments about why said champ should be nerfed.
LordGeovanni1 votesCircle jerk must have existed since season 4 then because this shit has been broken since season 3
Meep Man22 votesKennen was balanced until his Mage Update ultimate change which let it damage enemies more than three times. Simply limiting the number of times it can damage each enemy to 3 per cast would balance it.
Poske3 votesNo they broke him when they allowed him to use W in his Maelstrom area without thunders zapping anyone
hhaavviikk15 voteswhat also matters is that the ult now hits ALL enemies at the same time, previously the ult could be overwhelmed since it could only hit 1 champion at a time now it hits everyone at once, also I looked at the ult changes and here they are:
R - Slicing Maelstrom LIGHTNING ROD: Slicing Maelstrom is no longer limited to striking the same target three times per cast, but only the first three strikes on a target will apply Mark of the Storm DAMAGE: 80/145/210 (+0.4 ability power) per bolt (unchanged) NEW DAMAGE FALLOFF: 25% per bolt (50% minimum damage) DURATION: 3/4/5 seconds ⇒ 3 seconds at all ranks TICK RATE: 0.25 seconds ⇒ 0.5 seconds MAX DAMAGE PER TARGET: 240/435/630 (+1.2 ability power) ⇒ 300/544/788 (+1.5 ability power) EMP: Each tick now strikes every target in the area, including minions and monsters
the ult got 3 damage buffs:
I feel like it either needs to have a cap again on champions or not hit all targets at the same time
Meep Man4 votesI think the First one needed to happen, but it didn't need any damage buff really. It just felt clunky before and it needed to feel more fluid. The changes straight up buffed the damage output.
Spoofghoul5 votesalso don't forget the change before his ult got changed
in an earlier change riot made it so w would hit everyone inside ult.
with clever positioning you can use e then protobelt on top of enemies and dash trough pressing E + R for instant aoe stun, after stun disappears use zhonya, and boom 4 seconds of survivability + instant stun + 2 marks ready on everyone after So when zhonya's ends use W again for a second stun for more time where they can't retaliate, and then they are probably dead after being aoe stunned twice
kennen was already sort of op after all the changes but the itemization pushed him over the top as well
He now has a bunch of items which are really good on him gives survivability mobility and damage as well as 30% cdr
He just got too much going for him right now
Rivuo13 votesI fuckin hate kennen. But facts are facts that hes not a problem, its the items he builds that makes it a problem.
should not be in this fuckin game period.
Ahristocats6 votesit's not op on a lot of champions, just on kennen. you don't nerf an item just for a champ.
Lordk0z9 votesThe item is not only OP, it's a bad idea. An item that gives a dash is just asking for trouble.
MynadarxCZ2 votesI bet you would get a heart atack after one game of Dota then xD.
Lordk0z2 votesI play dota.
Alot.
In fact, my main is Magnus, who uses Blink Dagger (The item you are no doubt refering to) so much he basically buys it right after boots, and usually before upgrading his boots.
Of course, Blink Dagger is part of Dota's balance of power, which is noticably more "intense" than league. Just about every Dota character or item would be labelled OMGWTFOP in League. is basically a Dota-tier item. Putting it in league without changing anything else, as I said, is just asking for trouble.
MynadarxCZ1 votesActully i was talking about Force staff - pushing around anyone :).
HongChongDong3 votes[{quoted}](name=playfive Koopska,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7hxriQrt,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-10-17T14:24:28.786+0000)
it's not op on a lot of champions, just on kennen. you don't nerf an item just for a champ.
Yes you do actually. A large amount of items in the game are specifically tuned to a small group of champions, if not a single champion. So if a champion is too strong with a specific item that was tuned for them then yes, the item gets nerfed.
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it's not op on a lot of champions, just on kennen. you don't nerf an item just for a champ.
and while not core, but I have seen it do very well also on 
so it's not just strong on Kennen. And besides, before everyone started rushing as their first item on Kennen and would instead rush a 1st item or almost no one complained about him and he was barely seen.
Now he get a few buffs, and some streamer/pro plays him and now everyone has to copy them and play him now. Most of the concerns is from Protobelt though, just nerf that item and see if he falls out.
Best princess EU5 votesall the champions you listed aren't gamebreakingly overpowered
Zero Skill Tank5 votesSo shouldn't be Godblade 
, and yet we still wait for a proper nerf.
So, you can expect nerfs to D Belt around July next year.
Bârd11 votesNo one has ever said that Kennen can't instakill you. Whoever said that is either a complete moron or was coaching a Mundo.
As for the rest of your post, no.
In that clip, Kennen was able to burst down 3 very squishy targets, as well as finishing off an already low Olaf.
He didn't just have "proto+zhonya".
Get your facts straight, he had 
.
If your champion can't do something well with that many items, that champion is just bad.
As for "The best laning phase ever", that's complete and utter bullshit; His only real strength early game is his (rather mediocre) range.
By the way, ranged tops are not OP.
If that were true, we would see a hell of a lot more 
If you are a bruiser/fighter/tank (as most toplaners are), you just have to survive under your tower for 6 minutes until you can pick up 
, at which point he poses no threat to you.
Hell, if you are someone like 
, you don't even need to wait. Kennen is so goddamn squishy that he won't be able to deal with YOU. Oh are you NOT one of those 3? Don't worry, on the off chance your jungler comes to your lane pre-6, Kennen will likely be put in a Flash or Die scenario. Unless you get the gank at a bad time, and he has his W passive up, he can't stun both of you.
In mid, he is even worse; his range advantage is completely nullified against most opponents, and his only way of pushing the wave is either slow (autos) or extremely dangerous (E+W the wave). Not only that, but if gets matched up against someone like 
, he is completely fucked. People like her can force Kennen out of lane or kill him extremely easily, and oh boy...
If Kennen wins lane, he is a menace. If he survives lane, he is a factor. If he loses lane, however, he is one of the most useless sacks of shit you have ever seen.
Without damage, all he brings to the table is a 1.25 second stun (not even immediate). Hell, he is so squishy that he might not even get to do that before he gets hit by a primordial burst.
Oh, and you can't say that Kennen can go untargetable just because Zhonyas is a core item. By that logic, 
and the like are sources of true sight, since they all buy 
And by the way, none of this is new. Kennen has been doing this same shit since he was released. He is better at it than he has been recently, thanks to the mage update, but he still isn't as strong as when Zhonyas Ring was here, and his current power level is hardly exceptional. People are just calling him OP because he is getting picked for once and they don't know how to deal with him.
Here is the clip, by the way https://youtu.be/69j-uGa6xkM
I guess 
is cancer OP too, then?
General Theritt6 votesIf Kennen wins lane, he is a menace. If he survives lane, he is a factor. If he loses lane, however, he is one of the most useless sacks of shit you have ever seen. Without damage, all he brings to the table is a 1.25 second stun (not even immediate). Hell, he is so squishy that he might not even get to do that before he gets hit by a primordial burst.
You fcking wot m8? No, seriously, I can get behind pretty much all of this info, but this one is striking NOT true. You are never useless as Kennen because of one that one factor: You provide CC. Consistent CC. AoE CC at that. While yes, if you are midlane you are mostly not going to be able to do much, but as toplane and sometimes midlane as long as you get a protobelt and a Zhonya (which if you decide to go toplane off-tank you are even more dangerous since you cant be bursted down properly) you are a wolf in sheep's clothing because people forget this all the time. He's not solely damage. You have a better AoE CC than pretty much anyone in the game (Not all. Its still dependent on positioning and some can do it better, so don't say i said EVERYONE) since its instant activation and still deals decent damage even when behind. He's not OP, but you can't underestimate him even when behind. CC is so reliable in this game, and its a reason why Kennen will still be relevant for a CC AP toplane if or after he receives nerfs or items he build receive nerfs. Its one of the big reasons why Zac came back when everyone else got nerfed, and he was still viable before that thanks to the fact that you can initiate with CC, have pretty consistent damage, provide the ability to Off tank, and you scale with AP, which most players do not fully dedicate resistances to like you can with armor.
Elisheva5 votesMag resist is super duper hard to buy.
NineTailedMystic2 votesOn certain champions it is. If you have to build it at a bad time as a mid or ADC it can make you irrelevant damage wise. Abyssal won't save you from Kennen either.
dominusx5 votesbecause he is a mage. only assasins are broken in this game x) everything else is fine. Does your champion have an aoe insta cast nuke on moderate cooldown? balanced.
notmarked3 votes1: a long time ago kennen has been getting repeated buffs 2: protobelt giving that gap closer for his ult? buffed 3: hourglass now giving cdr so he can get his abilities off quicker? buffed
kennen wasn't always like this and i hope you know this
MonkeyMadness3 votesOk, stop now. Kennen has a 51.39% win ratio. That is far from unbalanced. While I agree that protobelt is ridiculous on him, he does have lane counters. Irelia absolutely destroys him. Many ranged champs can at least deal with him, if not excel against him with superior poke (ie jayce). And as for his ridiculous teamfights, he is entirely dependent on his ultimate for maximal effectiveness. If you can avoid clumping up when his ult if ready, you will be fine. Playing against a kennen is very similar to playing against an amumu, except that amumu has a MUCH better ranged engage tool to get into ult range.
YumaS2Astral5 votesOk, stop now. Kennen has a 51.39% win ratio. That is far from unbalanced. While I agree that protobelt is ridiculous on him, he does have lane counters. Irelia absolutely destroys him. Many ranged champs can at least deal with him, if not excel against him with superior poke (ie jayce). And as for his ridiculous teamfights, he is entirely dependent on his ultimate for maximal effectiveness. If you can avoid clumping up when his ult if ready, you will be fine. Playing against a kennen is very similar to playing against an amumu, except that amumu has a MUCH better ranged engage tool to get into ult range.
Except that Amumu has to hit his bandage to actually engage, he can't move his ultimate, and he doesn't do nearly as much damage as Kennen.
MonkeyMadness2 votesIf you can't land a bandaid, you need to uninstall and find a new game. It's literally the easiest skillshot in the entirety of the game, with the exception of those that pass through units (ie zyra snare and ahri Q).
Also, amumu actually has very high ap scaling and in the current meta often will get 3 ap items (runic echoes, rylais, abyssal) and will actually deal very respectable damage with generally more reliable hard cc.
YumaS2Astral2 votesIf you can't land a bandaid, you need to uninstall and find a new game. It's literally the easiest skillshot in the entirety of the game, with the exception of those that pass through units (ie zyra snare and ahri Q).
I would say Lee Sin's Q is easier to land, given that it has a slighty higher missile speed.
Also, amumu actually has very high ap scaling and in the current meta often will get 3 ap items (runic echoes, rylais, abyssal) and will actually deal very respectable damage with generally more reliable hard cc.
But this is still not enough to compete with Kennen, which will build full AP and will bring a to the table (Amumu can't do that because he will become squishy, therefore Amumu has problems with enemies that build magic resistance - yes, Amumu shreds magic resistance with his passive, but it is only a small, flat value and works against only one enemy at once)
Amumu may do respectable damage but Kennen brings levels of damage that exceeds those of Amumu, especially since Kennen has higher AP scaling when compared to Amumu.
MonkeyMadness1 votesI would say Lee Sin's Q is easier to land, given that it has a slighty higher missile speed.
Shorter range, smaller hitbox, but generally I'd say they are comparable. However, your point is rather irrelevant, as amumu is MUCH easier to play than lee, and even this ability (sonic wave AND resonating strike) are MUCH more complex than amumu's band aid.
Amumu may do respectable damage but Kennen brings levels of damage that exceeds those of Amumu, especially since Kennen has higher AP scaling when compared to Amumu.
And so does virtually every other big AP champ, but the majority of them are not considered unbalanced at all (minus a few abusive interactions with rylais). Kennen is not overpowered, he is just easy to play and very strong in lane, and therefore frustrating to play against. If you pick a solid counter into him, he's way fucked. He literally cannot do shit to even a half decent irelia.
YumaS2Astral1 votesShorter range, smaller hitbox, but generally I'd say they are comparable. However, your point is rather irrelevant, as amumu is MUCH easier to play than lee, and even this ability (sonic wave AND resonating strike) are MUCH more complex than amumu's band aid.
Actually, they have the same range (1100 range, check the wiki if you don't believe me: Lee Sin's second Q actually has higher range)
And so does virtually every other big AP champ, but the majority of them are not considered unbalanced at all (minus a few abusive interactions with rylais). Kennen is not overpowered, he is just easy to play and very strong in lane, and therefore frustrating to play against. If you pick a solid counter into him, he's way fucked. He literally cannot do shit to even a half decent irelia.
I wouldn't really say that Kennen is necessarily overpowered, but he is indeed very strong, and there aren't many ways for most top laners to deal with him early in the game, on top of that, they are outscaled by him. Combine that with the fact that Hextech Protobelt is a strong item currently, and you have one of the strongest top laners in the game. It has nothing to do with him being frustrating to play against. He is strong indeed.
Also, I've yet to see an Irelia capable of hard countering Kennen, this sounds more like a skill based matchup to be honest
MonkeyMadness1 votesActually, they have the same range (1100 range, check the wiki if you don't believe me: Lee Sin's second Q actually has higher range)
You missed the point. Lee is 110% harder to use than amumu, no matter how you slice it. Done. That's all we need to say for this comparison, and tbh, the only reason you brought this up is to target my argument in a very backwards manner, so leave lee out of this for now, he's irrelevant to our discussion.
I wouldn't really say that Kennen is necessarily overpowered, but he is indeed very strong
No doubt, this is what I'm trying to say. But people in posts like these are whining about him being "unbalanced" or "broken" and this is simply not the case. He is a lane bully when played properly, but so are rumble and darius, and Riot has left them alone for nearly a year. Kennen is also INCREDIBLY flash reliant for his big aoe wombos. Sure, he can abuse protobelt, but the distance really isn't sufficient to catch the entire enemy team, unless they are completely oblivious to what's going on.
Also, I've yet to see an Irelia capable of hard countering Kennen, this sounds more like a skill based matchup to be honest
It's awful. I consider myself a decent kennen player (I've played him for years, albeit not in a serious manner) and I have yet to beat an irelia in lane. Even when I get an early lead, she comes back quickly with her ridiculous sheen power spike and pwns me. She can stun, get of some damage and get out before you can really counter attack, and her sustain is just entirely superior.
WoonStruck2 votesOkay, win-rate is a horrible indicator to use alone.
Are you saying my main Vlad needs drastic buffs so I can reach diamond without deserving it?
That's basically what you're saying.
YumaS2Astral3 votesOkay, win-rate is a horrible indicator to use alone.
Are you saying my main Vlad needs drastic buffs so I can reach diamond without deserving it?
That's basically what you're saying.
Winrates are only really relevant when they are extreme and the playrate is high enough.
WoonStruck3 votesIsn't that exactly what I said?
"Win-rate is a horrible indicator to use alone"
Baron Perenolde3 votesPeople were complaining about him months ago, honestly. I can't remember who it was, but one poster referred to him as a ranged Renekton in the toplane and that buffing him was risky. Looks like that poster was right.
LordBrasca2 votesYou guys took your time before realizing it XD
KoKoboto2 votesYeah, managed to QSS the stun and I'm running out but I got 100-0 by just the raw damage of ultimate, protobelt, TLD, & his W