I honestly don't understand why people complain about mana regen

HateDaddy·May 25, 2015·3 votes·462 views

When exists

what mama problems? Now go ahead and rush zhonyas, ludens or some other overpowered AP item and 100-0 whatever you want

12 Comments

RatbertMay 25, 20152 votes

3 items slots and 1200 ish gold just to be even?

AP only mana solver?

I don't understand why manaless champs exist when it just serves to let you literally roll your face on the keyboard.

HateDaddyMay 25, 20153 votes

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3 items slots and 1200 ish gold just to be even?

AP only mana solver?

I don't understand why manaless champs exist when it just serves to let you literally roll your face on the keyboard.

You don't need to go dorans rings honestly, it's just a quick fix if the Jungler doesn't give you blue.

Manaless champion's waveclear sucks compared to mana champions. Just remember season 3 and season 4 when mages could rush chalice and mana was literally not a problem anymore and it'd be impossible to siege on them.

RatbertMay 25, 20151 votes

Their waveclear used to suck, but ads got their hydra, and ap manaless champs are all assassins so shouldn't have waveclear at all.

There are a few manaless champs with superb waveclear anyways.

Just remember now when it's impossible for mana champs to out sustain manaless champs.

HateDaddyMay 25, 20151 votes

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Their waveclear used to suck, but ads got their hydra, and ap manaless champs are all assassins so shouldn't have waveclear at all.

There are a few manaless champs with superb waveclear anyways.

Just remember now when it's impossible for mana champs to out sustain manaless champs.

Lol you're talking at least 2k gold before someone even gets hydra

Name a manaless champion with good waveclear, because there isn't a manaless champion that can use one spell and basically clear an entire wave like a lot of mana APs can. Even Zed has to use his entire set of soells outside of R to clear waves, which means his mobility is used, his harass is tied into it and he's vulnerable to poke when it's down because he's melee.

RatbertMay 26, 20151 votes

Tiamat also works to an extent. Top lane isn't exactly a push fest anyways.

There isn't a single ap champ that can clear an entire wave with one non ult unless extremely fed either. One spell. I'd say riven, vlad or full ad garen to an extent. Kata and rumble might be able to waveclear reasonably well.

HateDaddyMay 26, 20151 votes

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Tiamat also works to an extent. Top lane isn't exactly a push fest anyways.

There isn't a single ap champ that can clear an entire wave with one non ult unless extremely fed either. One spell. I'd say riven, vlad or full ad garen to an extent. Kata and rumble might be able to waveclear reasonably well.

Rumbles and kats waveclear suck lol

Ziggs can clear with just Q/E , once he gets around 150 AP, his Q basically does it. One Q from range, another W shortly after being off CD.

Same with Lux and her E, etc

The point that I'm making is many mages get much better waveclear and way better utility/CC overall. So their trade off is a much better and stronger overall power level with my versatility.

RatbertMay 26, 20151 votes

One spell not two. Ziggs and lux need to be atrociously fed to be able to clear with one spell. Lux can't even clear melees with her e.

In lane rumble and kata can waveclear with ease.

HateDaddyMay 26, 20151 votes

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One spell not two. Ziggs and lux need to be atrociously fed to be able to clear with one spell. Lux can't even clear melees with her e.

In lane rumble and kata can waveclear with ease.

What lol

Lux and Ziggs have wayyyyyy better waveclear than Rumble and Kat (and Rumble is retardedly difficult to CS with)

What I'm saying is Ziggs can easily spam Q twice and clear minuons because of its short cooldown. Lux's E easily clears back line minions and she can safely auto the melees as they come to her and once she gets enough AP, it's easy.

RatbertMay 26, 20151 votes

"safely auto" nice one.

We're talking about waveclear, not cs ability. They aren't the same thing.

If ziggs can spam q, kata and zed can spam q more. Kata and zed just spam all their skills and the wave magically disappears. Your point where you go "they give up poke for waveclear" applies to mages too.

Only Play DariusMay 26, 20151 votes

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Manaless champion's waveclear sucks

Vladimir Riven Zed Gnar

Don't make me laugh

CreationFlawMay 26, 20151 votes

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You don't need to go dorans rings honestly, it's just a quick fix if the Jungler doesn't give you blue.

Manaless champion's waveclear sucks compared to mana champions. Just remember season 3 and season 4 when mages could rush chalice and mana was literally not a problem anymore and it'd be impossible to siege on them.

Oh yes, manaless champions have horrid waveclear. Vladimir Zed Riven Yasuo Gnar Garen Mordekaiser