That their overpowered role is finally going to get the nerfs it deserves.
God forbid you wont get full control over a match so quickly.
"but its fair for me to gank top at 2:30 with doubles lvl 3 with full health!".
I may afk14 votesI've always thought that it was a really unhealthy powerspike in the game that shouldn't exist in the first place. Back when only certain champions like Lee Sin and Elise could do it, it made them pick/ban in every game but now it feels like every jungler can do it.
I hope Riot just reverts the overbuffs they gave both starting jungle items in 7.22 as compensation for new runes. It's clear they were both unnecessary.
hoganftw13 votesMore like "It's fair to gank top, repeat gank, set up a freeze, and basically set him back 2-3 levels essentially taking him out the game" lmao.
Rexxiee23 votesMore like "It's fair to gank top, repeat gank, set up a freeze, and basically set him back 2-3 levels essentially taking him out the game" lmao.
Ive legit read a reply there that said something on the lines (when they were talking about making early ganks riskier) "why should it be risky when i lvl 3 gank at full health on a lvl 2 top laner? Its supposed to be a free kill/gold".
Those nerfs cant come any sooner.
SSShutTheDuckUp3 votesLike legit saying it? And not being sarcastic?
Rexxiee9 votes[{quoted}](name=Awesomeasf ck,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Zl1E7Nf,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-04T01:46:27.564+0000)
Like legit saying it? And not being sarcastic?
Yep, guy is a delusional jungle main that was posting multiple comments defending the state of the jungle and calling top laners "braindead" because "all they do is split push" and that "top lane shoudnt be allowed to be strong ever".
Lmao.
SSShutTheDuckUp1 votesWell, that doesn't surprise me. I've seen many people like that. Always funny to watch though
KlydeFrog2 votesDude jungle can still gank regardless soooo why are u crying about it being op
Bandolier5 votesInteresting, why does your account have no games recorded?
Milton Fletcher7 votesWhat in the fr*ck does that have to do with his post?
Bandolier5 votesCurious as to why OP is making this post if it doesn't look like OP plays the game at all. They could be playing on a different account I guess.
RainbowIcee1 votesits people that like to talk shit but don't want others to view their performance in game. Probably OP is a really good player that doesn't want the attention or he/she is ashamed of the record.
Blåbæret5 votesIt's hilarious how you're whining about jungle while nothing's STILL being done about ADCs: the cancer of this game.
Who gives a shit about top lane anywayz. Jungle is not the role which has turned top into uselessness; that's bot lane, buddy.
PhDs Nuts6 votesIt's hilarious how you're whining about jungle while nothing's STILL being done about ADCs: the cancer of this game.
Who gives a shit about top lane anywayz. Jungle is not the role which has turned top into uselessness; that's bot lane, buddy.
ADCs haven't changed in years. Everything around them has changed. Runes, shields, heals, peel, etc. ADCs have never had a different build or play style outside of when armor pen/lethality was overtuned. ADCs are too strong because it's too easy for the jungler/mid/top to snowball their lane and then the support/tank to protect them, not because anything about the role has changed outside of Runes Reforged (a huge failure imo).
Rozzeta2 votesJust so you know, as it is currently worded, your argument could be paraphrased as follows: "There's nothing bad about ADC's since the game is centered around them. Every other mechanic or role is at fault when they are not properly balanced around them."
Are you sure you want to go along with this?
SwiftKitten881 votesADCs haven't changed in years. Everything around them has changed. Runes, shields, heals, peel, etc. ADCs have never had a different build or play style outside of when armor pen/lethality was overtuned. ADCs are too strong because it's too easy for the jungler/mid/top to snowball their lane and then the support/tank to protect them, not because anything about the role has changed outside of Runes Reforged (a huge failure imo).
no adc are too strong becuase you pieces of shit cry out of buffs when you were actually BALANCED in 2017.
yeah its not the adc themselves.. it is the runes and the items..
an adc build is SIX THOUSAND gold cheaper than a mage build.
meaning ON EQUAL GOLD when u reach 6 items any mage will likely be on 3 or 4.
adc are NOT too strong becuase the other lanes try to snowball them. they other lanes try to fucking snowball them and do everything in thier power to get them ahead because adc are too fucking strong. you are screwing up effect and causality. they're not too strong because jungler and mid laner and every fucking lane tried to camp bot.. we all choose to DO THAT because you're TOO STRONG. and even minimal gold can net you a HUGE advantage because of how stupidly cheap your items and for quick your powerspikes are
Mizaya2 votesYou can cry about it all day, but what are you going to get done? Seriously boards is so bitter it's actually hilarious, and they act like gutting all ADC items is going to somehow make this game great and glorious again XD
SwiftKitten881 votesYou can cry about it all day, but what are you going to get done? Seriously boards is so bitter it's actually hilarious, and they act like gutting all ADC items is going to somehow make this game great and glorious again XD
no it wont.. but is the first and biggest step to stopping damage creep.
becuase the INSTANT adc damage goes down so its not sustained burst.. when we can address shields, then we can address assassins burst.
its that the fact that adc bring broken is what caused all this stupid shit to happen in the first place everything and riot refusing to fix that make it impossible to fix anything else until that is done.
Mizaya1 votesIt's pointless to argue what's OP or not... my point is Riot has always been nerfing and buffing ADCs forever, and apparently when they're buffed boards complains a shitton, so wouldn't it be logical to just rework crit or something like that from your perspective
PhDs Nuts1 votesno adc are too strong becuase you pieces of shit cry out of buffs when you were actually BALANCED in 2017.
yeah its not the adc themselves.. it is the runes and the items..
an adc build is SIX THOUSAND gold cheaper than a mage build.
meaning ON EQUAL GOLD when u reach 6 items any mage will likely be on 3 or 4.
adc are NOT too strong becuase the other lanes try to snowball them. they other lanes try to fucking snowball them and do everything in thier power to get them ahead because adc are too fucking strong. you are screwing up effect and causality. they're not too strong because jungler and mid laner and every fucking lane tried to camp bot.. we all choose to DO THAT because you're TOO STRONG. and even minimal gold can net you a HUGE advantage because of how stupidly cheap your items and for quick your powerspikes are
lol? I'm a top main. Slow your roll.
LordGeovanni7 votesIt's hilarious how you're whining about jungle while nothing's STILL being done about ADCs: the cancer of this game.
Who gives a shit about top lane anywayz. Jungle is not the role which has turned top into uselessness; that's bot lane, buddy.
As a top lane main i Care about top lane, but It is Adcs, mages and Assassins that makes top lane useless, not jungle Specifically. Just the general increase in consistent damage from range (or instant damage like with assassins), while every defensive stat (item) in the game got nerfs over the years makes it so that Fighters cant build damage and tanks dont do much tanking but rather only CC bot tanks get played.
no to toxic1 votes{quoted} tanks dont do much tanking but rather only CC bot tanks get played.
That is the job of tanks though to force the enemy to focus them cause of their cc and discruptive abilites and in some cases cause of their damage and cc abilitys
LordGeovanni1 votesAnd thats okay if you can handle any kind of focus from more than 2 people but riot have them so weak because adcs and mages complain that they cant 1v1 tanks in 4 seconds like they can other squishy champions. There is no value in Tanks tanking because they die fast and the only ones that dont are the only ones that are played because of their extra stats and spamable shields. CC is HOW tanks get people to focus them but tanking through that focus is the JOB of the tank.
2Charmnot2Charm3 votesI hope this discourage my own junglers from ganking too. I don't know why but they always try to force a gank for no reason screwing my lane over.
Tokogawaruf2 votesOh boy all them 1v1 "Ganks" under the enemies Tower, only to blame you for "failing"
Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 votesu'r unfair with this post. i saw nobody against jungle nerf. They're against :
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ryuumoku no koke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Zl1E7Nf,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-03-04T15:24:08.475+0000)
u'r unfair with this post. i saw nobody against jungle nerf. They're against :
- nerfing already weak junglers
- will buff already strong junglers (hi WW)
Have you not read the frontpage thread on reddit about the jungle changes?
atleast half of it are complaining that "oh my god they are nerfing the jungle WTF HOW COME?!"
And WW is already broken, he needs nerfs regardless of necessary jungle changes.
xJLx MCHammer2 votesAs a jungler main, i don't think Jungle is healthy now. Takes no effort for champioins to actually clear. It needs to be a decision to entirely clear the jungle or 2-3 camps and gank. Right now, some junglers can do a full clear and still have 80% HP.
Playing someone like Shyvana who has weak ganks is stupid. Shyvana should be able to full clear a jungle, but she doesn't do it any better than Sejuani, only slightly faster. Yet, the Sej has insane ganks.
They need to make the jungler more risky. If you want clear Raptors, Red, Blue, then gank, sure but you should come out with 70% hp at best. You want to clear the entire jungle, sure but you should come out with 40%.... This is especially true early game
Mimr2 votesJungle should be retuned so it scales more linear. At the moment you get level 3 in no time but then it takes AGES to reach 6. When I'm jungling I hate the ~4-8 minute period because you're horribly behind mid and top and have no or hardly any combat stats. And at 2:30 I'm stupidly OP.
Marshbouy2 votesAs if the boards are any better lmao.
Skins Project1 votesoff topic but i saw one of ur posts disappear can I inquire what happened?
(Something about 4 miles.)
Marshbouy1 votesSometimes I just get really tired of getting responses to a post so I just delete it.
Sometimes I shitpost on GD and then it actually gets popular for some reason, but I didn't want it to so I just delete it.
Hügö1 votesNot like playing smart could prevent the lvl 3 gank. Better push braindead and died to directly tp back and die again I guess?
T4underbolt1 votesNot like enemy jungler has taken all the camp and has nothing to do for next 5 minutes and can camp the lane making it impossible for you to farm or trade.
Hügö1 votesWhen he sits there for even 1 minute he is dumb and will get behind as your jungler will make a play on the other side of the map. But this just shows how stupid people are: "oh no i could play smart around the only time the jungler is ahaed of laner but i don't want I better cry"
T4underbolt1 votesYour problem is that you assume my jungler will do something or will be able to do something. Other lanes of enemy team can simply play safe and not push rendering my jungler useless there and before he gets to me top it's all over and my enemy laner has advantage.
Hügö1 votesThen he goes into the enemy jungle and sets him back. You act like the only thing a jungler has to do is ganking. You can see jungle as a lane so your jungler has an lane opponent he has to defeat by farming and killing. Let's say you die to a gank from the enemy jungler you feed your junglers opponent it is the same as when your jungler goes into your lane and dies to your laner.
Leaf on Bush1 votesI like how you think that a jungler who ganks you at level 3 and again if you tp back will have taken all his camps. Can you at least try to be reasonable?
T4underbolt1 votesThe thing is even if he still has camps to do, there is an additional pair of wheel added to a game by riot for total noobs - it's called catch up xp. Even if you are behind and even lost few camps to other jungler, you will catch up in like half jungle rotation. You lose nothing by camping a single lane. Riot made sure of that so noobs wont cry that they have to actually learn to make good decisions and choose between ganking or farming.
Hügö1 votesSure he will catch up in levels but will still be behind in gold which makes a much bigger difference.
PhDs Nuts1 votesSure he will catch up in levels but will still be behind in gold which makes a much bigger difference.
No it doesn't. There's a reason why ADCs are in the duo lane and the other roles are solo. They typically scale harder with levels. That's especially true for junglers with strong ganking potential like Lee, Vi, Elise, etc. High base damage.
Cashfinger1 votesI mean its incredibly obvious that gank will happen if you're in a gankable position at that time. Your jg would be there too if he was competent if he started same side.
T4underbolt1 votesWow you are actually asking for a competent jungle when account in gold1/plat 5 costs 5$ on ebay/amazon.
Cashfinger1 votesShould be more like 50-60$ since a new account lvl 30 cost between 12-23 at cheapest, then you need a pretty strong player to play a 10-0 placement on it to be placed that high.
T4underbolt1 votesWell last time I checked here I saw a guy who leads a group of people that bots accounts and boost it right away to gold1. And it really is that cheap. They have like 1000 ACC's at once to sell. Legit thing.
Leaf on Bush1 votesWhat I like to do when i go jungle, I try to be top fast and just WARD FOR MY TOP LANER, so even if I can't gank or don't want to risk getting counter ganked I can still warn them. xD
I think you have to do that because top laners are like babies.
Cashfinger1 votesHonestly top lane is gankable from so many different paths and easiest lane to dive too. When I play top all I want to know is where the god damned enemy jg is.
Leaf on Bush1 votesWhen you don't see him and you don't have an idea where he could be, just assume that he is gonna jump out of the nearest unwarded position.
We both know that a lot of top laners just go ham and hope for the best, but you have a choice, always.
Cashfinger1 voteswell like honestly dude as a person who played both top and jg at a "kinda" high level... like it actually isnt as straightforward as just go ward and sit by ur tower and ur safe... cuz then you just auto lose if you dont stay within xp range, and even lose worse with dying too. Even if you flash and dont die, then oh nice there's the enemy jg just waiting for me to go try to get some farm cuz i got no flash from his gank 10 seconds ago and my wave is... pushing... yikes.
So really its more like a risk calculation between how you wanted to play your matchup early, how dangerous a gank could be, how much farm will you lose if you do push aggressively and die, i mean there's a lot to take into account really. You can lose the lane just from the fear of a gank even.
BBW Chaser1 votesYou people realize that this change would just bring back lee sin (special after riot buff him too) and zac...so in general nothing would change the only ones who would get hurt are the non broken junglers that would not be able to do full clear...
And if you think you have it hard when a KHA gank you at lvl 3 imagine a buffed lee that would dominate his jungle and enemy jungle with his healthy clear a shaco doing the same and elise turret dive you at lvl 3..with 0 counter from your jungler cause your jungler would struggle...
So you the same person that say riot did a good thing nerfing the jungle in general and not the broken junglers would come here and cry and ask for nerfs cause dominant junglers dont leave chance for other junglers to do anything and you STILL GET TURRET DIVED MORE EASILY than before
So yeah...good job riot i guess huh?
And if you think that jungle need to be a third support for the adc on top of bot lane and on top of top lane that it is right now good job that you enforce riot stupidity to make the game around ADCs only...