And when Klepto is nerfed, you'll see the same annoying patterns come back in top lane with tanks because tank items are so much cheaper
Introducing a new keystone won't matter when Bruiser core items are so damn expensive and zeal items are 2600 LOL
Ahristocats75 votes
3700 gold
3000 gold
3200 gold
3500 gold
3100 gold
meanwile
3400 gold
2600 gold
2600 gold
2600 gold
[sg-poppy]
Śhunpo42 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-13T17:38:25.831+0000)
meanwile
[sg-poppy]
9700-10400 for a bruiser's core trifecta
8600 for an ADC's core trifecta
Why is an ADC's core trifecta that cheap when they're a late game class? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Jinx Hunter36 votes9700-10400 for a bruiser's core trifecta
8600 for an ADC's core trifecta
Why is an ADC's core trifecta that cheap when they're a late game class? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Because Riot has had a hard on for marksmen since season 2 [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Dasdi9618 votes[{quoted}](name=Jinx Hunter,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T19:08:39.025+0000)
Because Riot has had a hard on for marksmen since season 2 [slayer-jinx-unamused]
All rioters love jacking off to adcs doing massive damage while being shielded for twice their hp bar by an enchanter and a tank with 
HungryAngry2SPP2 votesAll rioters love jacking off to adcs doing massive damage while being shielded for twice their hp bar by an enchanter and a tank with
+
+ Domination tree-(the however it's called in english) that gives you CDR on items= 500hp shield every 30s
Jinx Hunter2 votes
As a Xin, that crap royally pisses me off.
Alex h87215 votesAs any diver. Dives in on half hp adc, see's them get absurdly shielded: "welp guess i'll die"
Jinx Hunter3 votes[{quoted}](name=Alex h8721,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T20:36:08.291+0000)
As any diver. Dives in on half hp adc, see's them get absurdly shielded: "welp guess i'll die"
Happens to me all the time. Especially when I finally catch 
/
way out of position and have my CC or knock up ready and am able to get on them before i get knocked away or they blink/flash/tumble. Its almost always a 
or 
that gives them a crap ton of shield to save them. I mean I find things like 
and 
annoying as hell to get around but at least they actually have to hit me to peel me. These three 
don't have to do jack to me directly most of the time to protect the ADC from all my burst and then I get screwed by poly or tornado or tether stun.
Alex h87219 votesDont mind janna tornado that much but damn if polymorph isnt one of the most obnoxious toxic abilities in the game, absolutely nothing worse than getting the adc to like 5% hp then turning into a critter and dying.
Rewt11 votesAs a Warwick main. this is my life. Dive onto the Vayne with 100 HP. Janna Shields and Uses Locket.
Lios Ashenblade2 votesThen do it on 
because he can get his frackin chocobo back and get a huge health boost out of nowhere
HungryAngry2SPP1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2018-01-13T22:30:12.521+0000)
Then do it on
[sg-janna]
Lios Ashenblade1 votesWelcome to Sudden Shield meta, would you like to join the SS?
HungryAngry2SPP2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lios Ashenblade,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7Wzu7gZc,comment-id=00000000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-01-13T22:58:02.094+0000)
Welcome to Sudden Shield meta, would you like to join the SS?
Ja, danke :)
Sp33d Zer02 votes are both being removed.
RainbowIcee2 votesnot only this but ADC items build quite nicely and complements them. Mean while = 
(which is honestly amazing ) but + 
doesn't really do that much shit for an 800 item.
the build path is just hp meat bag.
Hópe1 votes9700-10400 for a bruiser's core trifecta
8600 for an ADC's core trifecta
Why is an ADC's core trifecta that cheap when they're a late game class? [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Beca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao
Śhunpo1 votesBeca use thats not a bruisers core trifecta. lmao
Oh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day.
Hópe1 votesOh, so the Challenger bruiser players are wrong? Understandable, have a nice day.
No, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ).
Śhunpo1 votesNo, Triforce into black cleaver is NOT a bruiser build ( Thats what OP listed ).
It is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you're thinking that we're talking about champions like Darius.
OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille.
Hópe1 votesIt is most definitely a bruiser build. Unless you're thinking that we're talking about champions like Darius.
OP is talking about Illaoi, Jax, Fiora and (possibly) Camille.
Triforce into black cleaver is not a bruiser build its a bronze build i dont know where you come from saying thats a viable build but please do not argue with me about something like that because that is 100% idiotic.
Śhunpo1 votesTriforce into black cleaver is not a bruiser build its a bronze build i dont know where you come from saying thats a viable build but please do not argue with me about something like that because that is 100% idiotic.
Wait what. When did I ever say Triforce into BC?
I said Triforce/BC->Titanic->Sterak's.
Of course TF+BC is a terrible build lmao.
FalconPawwwwnch14 votesJust counter Zeal Items with Atma's
RainXBlade7 votesI know a proper solution:
Lower the gold of all bruiser items by 500 - 800 gold.
There, problem solved. While we're at it, let's also bring back Fervor of Battle to make bruisers great again.
Jinx Hunter3 votesI know a proper solution:
Lower the gold of all bruiser items by 500 - 800 gold.
There, problem solved. While we're at it, let's also bring back Fervor of Battle to make bruisers great again.
Only If we nerf the hell out of Fiora. That damn cancer still needs a nerf even with Fervor gone and would be back if it came back. I am all for Fervor coming back I just don't every want to see damn Fiora again.
HungryAngry2SPP3 votesI know a proper solution:
Lower the gold of all bruiser items by 500 - 800 gold.
There, problem solved. While we're at it, let's also bring back Fervor of Battle to make bruisers great again.
Max 300 gold if you want to be generous, but 500-800g "buffs" are insane
RainXBlade4 votesIdk how it be insane. I'd rather fight a fed Camille/Irelia/Jax/Insert Bruiser Name Here than fight someone like Ornn or Maokai.
Jinx Hunter6 votesIdk how it be insane. I'd rather fight a fed Camille/Irelia/Jax/Insert Bruiser Name Here than fight someone like Ornn or Maokai.
I rather not fight a fed any of those. But I am with you on orrn and maokai, especially the damn tree. Riot just refuses to nerf him right. He has been a problem for years. They even reworked him and it fixed nothing, in fact I would say they made him even stronger then before.
RainXBlade3 votesThe problem with Maokai is that he's very forgiving and easy to play as well.
Lost lane? Oh don't worry, you have stupidly high base damage and once you get your items, you effectively just wasted the efforts of the enemy's top lane bruiser in trying to put you down. Nobody in the game can kill you unless they have some sort of HP-based damage (Hi Vayne)
Tanks should be able to be well... tanky and that they can soak up damage pretty well. What they shouldn't be though is that they're very forgiving. An 0/3 Maokai should not be having an easy time against their 3/0 enemy laner once they build even just 1 armor item. (Hi Sunfire)
Jinx Hunter2 votesThe problem with Maokai is that he's very forgiving and easy to play as well.
Lost lane? Oh don't worry, you have stupidly high base damage and once you get your items, you effectively just wasted the efforts of the enemy's top lane bruiser in trying to put you down. Nobody in the game can kill you unless they have some sort of HP-based damage (Hi Vayne)
Tanks should be able to be well... tanky and that they can soak up damage pretty well. What they shouldn't be though is that they're very forgiving. An 0/3 Maokai should not be having an easy time against their 3/0 enemy laner once they build even just 1 armor item. (Hi Sunfire)
True, all true. Aside from his base damage its his damn near infinite sustain he has with his passive. Once he gets a
its incredible hard to push him out of lane or make him burn mana completely.
Ethier his massive sustain goes or all that base damage, he should not get all that and massive CC to boot while being ungodly tanky as hell.
NineTailedMystic2 votesAs a squishy? Hell no, I'd rather have a really unkillable Tank than a bruiser one shotting me while being unkillable.
Meep Man1 votesThats a pretty squishy Bruiser build though.
Ahristocats8 votesi didn't list a build of a bruiser only listed the cost of offensive items
wouldn't build black cleaver+triforce at the same time
also, defensive items of bruisers are expensive
2900
2800
MorganFreemanBot7 votesThats a pretty squishy Bruiser build though.
No one's building that as their bruiser build.
But 3 of those items, in various combinations, are basically the 'core' build for almost all bruiser / fighters / juggernauts in the game.
Seilleas3 votesThats a pretty squishy Bruiser build though.
Wym? It´s bruiser items, why would bruiser HAVE TO build tank items?....well cuz of the cost, and that's the problem.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesAll these bruiser items just give health as defensive stat, no armor or MR. Which sucks for defense, since every %hp damage will totally screw you that way.
Bruises are expected to build 1-2 offensive items and then go tank to survive in the battle.
Janna Me Fiddle2 votesAll these bruiser items just give health as defensive stat, no armor or MR. Which sucks for defense, since every %hp damage will totally screw you that way.
Bruises are expected to build 1-2 offensive items and then go tank to survive in the battle.
which is why a spellblade plus steraks is so core to them as the shield is invaluable, but a lot of them also need black cleaver or hydra for wave clear, meaning 3 damage items.
Unfortunately the Steraks shield gets popped by a single crit shiv proc, I'd much rather them change the effect to something more impactful and putting forward the notion of Bruisers being dangerous to ADCs.
Change Steraks lifeline to = Lowers crit damage by x% depending on max health
Yes an ANTI Crit item.
Yes there's a good chance such an item would be abused by tanks, but honestly with how power creeped crit is, it NEEDS a counter item.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesThere is a counter item for crit.
AirKingNeo3 votesLook at tank items. All 2600-2800. Why?
EndlessSorcerer9 votesLook at tank items. All 2600-2800. Why?
AFAIK, Riot planned for defensive items to be impactful in the mid-game and fall off late-game.
Their standard practice for "buffing" defensive items was to reduce their cost and stats.
AirKingNeo2 votesBut defensive items aren't bad late game. Soaking damage is a very important thing to be able to do.
Jinx Hunter5 votesBut defensive items aren't bad late game. Soaking damage is a very important thing to be able to do.
Soak damage you say?
Lios Ashenblade3 votes
I heard someone over here was soaking damage?
Spoofghoul2 votesstill more expensive then adc items
which is kinda dumb
ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votesThe kit advantages bruisers have over marksmen make up for most of the gold diff, 1v1 any bruiser will smash any adc even if the adc is ahead by a good margin. For example triforce tabi irelia will nuke any 3 item adc she gets on if there isn't a shield champ next to them.
Ahristocats13 votesthis game is a 5v5 game not a 1v1 game play street fighter if you want 1v1
in 5v5 the bruiser gets cc'ed and destroyed once he enters the fight in 5v5 the adc annilate everyone 1 by 1
bruisers are also shit in late game, yet have an expensive itemization
ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votesThen don't charge in instantly and wait out cc. People act like marksmen are the only role that should have to position well to be effective. If they use all cc on you that means there is none left for your team and fight should be ez. Thinking bruisers need a buff bc they and run in and 1v9 is like saying vayne should get one bc she cant facetank cc and win game.
Ahristocats7 votesThen don't charge in instantly and wait out cc.
so basically wait until the teamfight is lost
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
ISLAMICWARRIOR991 votesWell unless ur in challenger 90% of fights no one is gonna hold cc theyre gonna use it on who gets close first, hell most game both teams just dive the adc no matter how useless they are so go in then. Also idk why most people don't get this but the cc bruisers have also helps peel. Why dive in when you can cc the one on the other team who does and kill them.
GayFluffyUnicorn5 votesYeah man let me just CC the enemy on jax without diving in... oh wait Well lemme just CC the enemy on camille without diving in.... oh wait well irelia...eh aatrox maybe`? well nevermind, that slow is garbage... fiora? eh probably not. Yorick? Uff also just a slow hm. You notice a pattern? Melee mostly means they indeed have to get in melee range to be useful.
