If I had one complaint to make about Graves, it's simply this:

HateDaddy··2 votes·275 views

When is he weak?

He's strong early He's great mid game He's strong late game He's good in skirmishes He's good in duels He's good in teamfights

He bursts squishies, he will DPS down bruisers and tanks while drain tanking and absorbing a lot of punishment because of the resists on his E. He's an ambiguous pick because he can both jungle and top effectively. He's safe at all stages of the game, he's strong at all stages of the game. Sometimes that's not a bad thing if a champions highs aren't too high, but that isn't the case for graves. He's one of the hardest snowballing champions in the game.

I'm not saying he doesn't have weaknesses but it feels like the only time you can really take advantage of those weaknesses is if you're able to put him behind. Otherwise he just becomes a menace. He's not exactly hyper carry material but I just feel like he's still overtuned in some aspects. His damage is still pretty dumb early but he kinda needs it. He just feels so out of line half the time I'm playing against him but I can't put my finger on it.

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PermabannedGaren2 votes

So which fighter can't dump on Graves 1v1 past the early game?

Serious question. Because I have yet to lose a duel to Graves past that point, and it's not like he's some difficult to use champion.

Killing Graves one on one as a melee carry (Tryndamere, Master Yi, Fiora, Yasuo, Jax, etc.) is strictly a formality past the early game. Nasus dumps on him. Trundle stomps him. Most top lane juggernauts, if not all (I suspect only Garen may have problems, but Garen is a piece of shit) beat him 1v1. Irelia should win pretty easily. Probably Riven as well. Olaf. Kled probably beats him. Warwick casually stomps him, as does Xin Zhao. Etc.

I mean, I guess he's better in duels than mages, tanks (though I bet Malphite would shit on his chest tbh), and supports, and tends to win against ADCs (not all though, a Vayne who knows how to build shits on him) due to his burst, but IMO he doesn't 1v1 well against those who can absorb his initial burst past laning phase, while also dealing good damage. Because his sustained damage does fall off.

For this reason I don't think he scales particularly well late game.

I don't know, but I've never really had any particular issues with Graves after his nerfs.

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