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Tank Ekko is still busted

Streep··51 votes·3,981 views

Minor base damage nerfs to ekko's abilites are not enough to kill this beast. Plz gut tank ekko, its impossible to kill him and he can still oneshot squishies. He was not made to build tank, and now that all everyones been building on him. Why go full ap ekko when you can still get the job done as a tank?

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JerulEon6 votes

I just played against a tank Ekko. He definitely felt weaker compared to before the IBG nerfs and stat nerfs. He's bearable now but still tough yeah. He's not the best anymore at least.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

Hopefuly the changes to AP items will iron out the problem the rest of the way, since the HP/Armor/MR + AP items look to be getting their AP nerfed, making the possible damage output on a tank Ekko less and force Ekko to decide between damage, tankiness or a safe middle ground between the two.

The Loveless4 votes

Because his slow and stun are ungodly. Nothing to do with his damage, everything to do with his annoying utility and sticking power.

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Yeah I agree. Until something is done about his utility, he'll be built tank. It's simply the strongest build for him with that kind of kit.

Grashnim3 votes

MasterYi Jax Trundle Poppy Graves Nidalee

You forgot a few more than just tank ekko. I quit listing them after I got bored.

Streep5 votes

Its league of tank right now, hopefully when the ap update comes out we will have hopes to kill these tanks.

Woook3r13 votes

league of mobility. always will be.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Rather, League of item 3053

Just make it melee only, it really helps.

On the other hand, they are clearing up some problems by changing devourer's, but they may open a new can of worms with the new rageblade, and maybe bloodrazor(it seems fine thus far, also nice how it encourages ganking overpowerfarming)

Also Mage update. Let's see how that turns out.

IceKingChernobog2 votes

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Its league of tank right now, hopefully when the ap update comes out we will have hopes to kill these tanks.

*League of i can build tank and do a stupid amounts of damage because fuck you.

i fixed it

Vanic9981 votes

More reason to like the VELKOZ rework in particular.

doombotMECHA1 votes

league of shit that ain't tanks being tanks, more like.

SpecterVonBaren9 votes

Pssst! Trundle was designed to do that.

AnonymousPoro1 votes

And Poppy got nerfed hard last patch. The rest of them I can't stand.

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

I can deal with the passive range nerf (Though it does feel pretty crappy) and I didn't care much about the damage nerfs since I play Poppy as a support, but that E range nerf really really hurts. I've had to switch from armor pen marks and armor quints to armor marks and movespeed quints to make up for it.

AnonymousPoro1 votes

Yep :/. Get the nerfs to her Q damage, but not to her utility.

Lady Hammerlock1 votes

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MasterYi Jax Trundle Poppy Graves Nidalee

You forgot a few more than just tank ekko. I quit listing them after I got bored.

the worse is Fizz ,dmg amplification hyper mobile % missing health damage and to top it off an invisibility frame

doombotMECHA1 votes

ah yes, I hate how he vanishes whenever he uses his troll pole /sarcasm

Imperial Japan2 votes

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MasterYi Jax Trundle Poppy Graves Nidalee

You forgot a few more than just tank ekko. I quit listing them after I got bored.

Yi: He was made so that he is better with pure to almost full AD Jax: really easy to kite (also AP champs) Trundle: no comment.. Poppy: she's meant to be a tank Graves: I admit that this guy's a bit too tanky for his damage but he isn't extremely busted Nidalee; She builds pretty much full AP..

bill842 votes

Are you trying to say that poppy is not supposed to be built tank?

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

MasterYi Pretty sure Tank Yi's dead. Jax Still aiming for item 3124 to be nerfed. Trundle Tank Trundle is legit, plus I never seen this guy being OP since I never saw him played in any of my games. Poppy Tank Poppy is intended, moving on.... Graves Useless before purchasing item 3053 , although I do agree he needs some nerfs to his tankiness. Nidalee Uhh wut?

Woook3r3 votes

Its not ekko. Its mobility + sunfire + frozen gauntlet. I cant even play him ap, hes about 70% ban rate in bronze.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

Sunfire + Gauntlet + Passive + W will always make tank Ekko good.

LankPants3 votes

Ekko has the kit design of a tank. Honestly I can't be the only person who saw Ekko when he was released and thought "this champ's never going to be played as an assassin". I don't think his current kit will ever let him be an assassin, maybe he'll be AP bruiser at best.

Choo63 votes

Aside from the OP tank items, I don't think it's mainly the damage Tank Ekko does that's OP. AP Ekko still does it better, and quicker. It's how he can disrupt so many teamfights and be generally the biggest nuiscance out of all champions in history, while being unkillable. Bascially I'm saying it's his CC and how Riot tries to design him as a skirmisher (note: not an assassin), which allows him to spam lots of spells on a low CD, making everybody either stunned or super slowed all the time.

doombotMECHA1 votes

pffffffft. look, mate. you see all those nifty speed boosts, that massive shield/stun, the aoe nuke+heal+escape? you can activate those all by mindgaming your opponent, going in-and-out to move the hologram, putting the w where your opponent has to go...... or you can just be tanky enough to sit on the other guy's face until it's time to nuke 'em.

however good he is as an assassin, he's MUCH more durable and reliable as a tank, PLUS r's heal is worth more with more armor/mr.

zLuminova3 votes

Lol the only games since 6.8 on your match history against a tank ekko was a game where he built WOTA and one where tank ekko was super fed and probably coulda been a tank leblanc and still one shot your carries. Trust me, there are other things that are much more broken this patch.

Dengeden2 votes

Katarina is still busted, Yasuo is still busted, Yi is still busted, Udyr is still busted, Fizz is still busted, Fiora is still busted blablabla, I don't wanna learn how to play against champions.

The Deckowner2 votes

ICG nerf+ base dmg nerf on e and w=op stood there and letted ekko auto him to death because he dont know how to play against ekko.

KarmasPolice2 votes

If he gets ahead, he can still kill squishies, but that's true for every tank.

The problem is that just as a tank, even with no damage, is still very good. Assassin Ekko is unreliable, as a tank you have an Amumu ult on a small cd, that's easier to hit once you are in the fight as a tank.

Nerf the stun to 1.5 seconds or make it go up with W level, increase shield duration(which scales with AP) to 3 seconds to compensate. Also, please please revent the ult radius nerf...that shit is so hard to land if you are not on top of the target.

Midnight Fox2 votes

I actually haven't seen tank Ekko since the new patch dropped. Probably because he's still nearly permabanned. I have seen tank Fizz in nearly every game now. Also broken.

The Whamboozler2 votes

Judging from his kit, he was made to do EVERYTHING. If assassins become a thing again, he'll just go AP ekko and still be obnoxious. I can't really imagine him ever falling out of meta unless his numbers are gutted into the ground. Little pecker can do and build nearly ANYTHING and be really strong.

DU Baymax2 votes

I don't seem to have too much of a problem fighting tank ekko as Darius

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

He has too much cc. It'll be like that until they finally decide to make real changes to his kit. Damage nerfs won't be enough unless they take assassin ekko all the way to unviability.

Smitty Manjensen2 votes

I've seen people swap an item with roa, still tanky but deals much more damage

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

So sick of seeing "busted" recently -_-

SouL1ess1 votes

Maybe because Full AP Ekko is not viable due to the nature of his kit?

Majestic Sock1 votes

I don't think anyone mentioned it but I really cant stand the fact his W cannot be seen till the last possible second. Now i'm not sure if its only me and the handful of other people i've asked but hearing the sound of it and then not knowing where they have thrown that skill till the last possible second pisses me off that such a concept made it past PBE. Its essentially a invisible stun, because if you cant predict and move out of where you "think" it is going to be, then god forbid when it does land your screwed since you cant get out of it while Ekko is also given the shield which generally covers most primary damage he will take from jumping on you.

I cant think of any other stun in game that doesn't have graphics to indicate where it will be, Anivia Q has 1 direction, Victors trap is pretty obvious, both Vel Koz and Nami knock ups have the circles so why is it that Ekko's is invisible to the enemy team till the last second?

Igotlazy2 votes

Ekko actually creates another clone of himself when he uses W. It hits a canister looking thing to the selected Location after the delay. If the W is cast in the fog of war or in a bush then both the sound and the clone won't be visible. If you do hear the sound though or see the ghost, just fall back for a second. It's very likely you'll be far away from wherever the enemy Ekko predicted you'd be.

Majestic Sock1 votes

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Ekko actually creates another clone of himself when he uses W. It hits a canister looking thing to the selected Location after the delay. If the W is cast in the fog of war or in a bush then both the sound and the clone won't be visible. If you do hear the sound though or see the ghost, just fall back for a second. It's very likely you'll be far away from wherever the enemy Ekko predicted you'd be.

I'm familiar with the concept and I agree the sound is easy to hear when you and him, possibly a jungler are the only ones around. But in the scenario of a team fight where there are 5+ abilities going off at a single time with their own sound effect and animation. A decently placed and or predicted Ekko W can trap an entire team and stun them. I understand that's part of the concept but even so, give a entire team roughly 1 seconds to react to a large AoE stun that only has visuals you can see and then react to in that 1 second offers little to no counter play. Especially when you add in other outlying factors such as terrain, enemy CC, zoning ect...

Take a look at the recent Taric rework, his stun is now a skill shit with a extremely bright blue indicator for the 1.5 second channel. That allows you to move and avoid it if possible ot stun him before it goes off. His ult also has a signaled effect of the giant blue galaxy around him and his link before everyone becomes invincible, letting you decide to hold off on casting ult or try to burst them down before it activates. I'm not saying Ekko's W needs to be singled for the entire 4-5 seconds the ability takes to go off, but it needs to have more counter play especially for a skill which 1) is mostly invisible, 2) is a AoE stun, 3) grants Ekko a shield just by walking into it. There's so many passives on that champ but so little you can do in terms of on-the-fly counter play if you don't pick against him...

Igotlazy1 votes

"I understand that's part of the concept but even so, give a entire team roughly 1 seconds to react to a large AoE stun that only has visuals you can see and then react to in that 1 second offers little to no counter play. Especially when you add in other outlying factors such as terrain, enemy CC, zoning ect..."

It's not 1 second though. Like I said from the moment you hear the sound to the moment it drops, 3 seconds have past. If the Ekko is able to properly predict a good drop area 3 seconds in advance and get himself there then I say he earned the stun. If he was able to tactically do so while casting it from a location that the enemy has no vision of, ya he deserves the stun. Those outlying factors you mentioned are just part of the game. Did he use it in a choke point? Good on him. Did a member of his team CC them in a good spot for the W? Good on his team. If you're playing against Ekko you SHOULD be actively preparing for that Stun. It's an incredibly powerful teamfight changing ability if it actually goes off. It would be like not tracking Orianna's Ball and being surprised when she Shockwave + Dissonances your entire team. The main problem right now is since Tank Ekko is so hard to kill, Ekko can potentially get off 2 or 3 Ws per fight. If we weaken Tank Ekko, the spam goes down. I don't even think he's that much of a problem anymore since he's been nerfed in 5 different ways.

Fina1Boss1 votes

Not broken anymore. People just like to whine about anything that they can't go 10-0 in lane against.

Grashnim1 votes

Sorry, should have explained more. I wasn't commenting on just OP tanks. I was talking about insanely good champions who are rather busted. Oh well, ragers.

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