The Issue with the Crit Item changes - and ways to fix them!

Great post, it's a shame that you had to tip-toe around and use your words so carefully though. Because obviously one slip-up and you'd find yourself flooded with downvotes from the boards. It's sad, but you're probably still gonna get downvotes even after doing such a thorough job explaining.

adc feel "weak" because they have been overpowered previously and are balanced now.

the game was bot lane loses, your team loses. now its not anymore.

the scaling issues of crit adc can be fixed by not making games only last 23 minutes on average.

Lower crit of zeal items by 5% and lower cost by 100-200 (lower zeal itself by 100 gold too probably because it feels too weak). That way, adcs will be able to get 100% crit but not overcap it. Also, the IE item change suggestions are pretty good. I always thought 1 of the issues with crit adcs is how bad the components are. 2 BF swords is rare to be able to have in a game where you can't always b at the right time.

I really hate the feel of the new ... Like yeah, it's strong when you cast your ult, you get all those resets and tons of attackspeed.. But otherwise, outside of that? The Item sucks. The stats suck, the passive is terrible, 1% of missing mana feels like nothing.

And to top it off, it's only really good on one marksman, Lucian. That's great and all, but I thought these new items were partly about different playstyles for the class.

"ADC" hue hue hue

Theses are good ideas. I feel you. It's times like this where I miss the 20% crit on ie, essence reaver, and tri force.

Why can't they just put crit on a damage item? I really hate building zeal items on even though I need the crit.

I support your post but would prefer longer games and the 5% reduction in zeal

With IE's old passive removal they should let excess crit (up to a maximum of +50) from items apply on abilities/auto attacks that benefit from crit.

Or + + 600g = New Mini-IE Component (1825g) 40 AD shared IE unique passive: Increase crit chance by x1.4

Then + this item + 775g = (3800g)

It really isn't much but it would help smooth out the huge gap between zeal item + IE by alot at several stages.

Early you could build pickaxe, then go for zeal or full zeal item -> this item for the minor crit chance increase (+6% for Zeal, +12% for Zeal upgrade) then ofc IE for the double crit.

Smoothens out the laning phase and the transition between mid game -> late game without overbuffing anything.

This item + a full zeal item would only raise it from 30% -> 42%, seems reasonable. Plus, there's just something about that number...

I’m sorry, but I didn’t read your post fully. Riot is addressing the issue with adcs being weak in the next couple of patches

Re: Critical Chance interactions, the way I see it is a little different:

1. Your first Zeal upgrade is kinda crap. It gives 30% crit.
2. IE is incredibly good, but requires a Zeal upgrade. It gives you another 30% crit, in addition to all the AD and the true damage conversion.
3. Your second Zeal upgrade now gives 40% crit (because you have IE). Unfortunately it's still kinda crap, since you already have a bunch of crit chance and AS. It's better to get another multiplier like LDR, or just go for defense. Unless you really want the RFC or Runaan's passive (assuming you didn't get that first).

So I wouldn't really say that you lose 20% crit from your second Zeal upgrade. Rather, you get more stats from the second one, but the stats are worth less later in the game. Overall, I'd say the second Zeal upgrade is a very niche buy, but still okay. Your suggestion would make it worth 50% crit and make it cheaper, which tips the scale way too far.

Just know that the crit item changes were barely even tested on PBE before getting released to the real game. It was a dreadfully rushed decision.

I agree with these changes and I honestly wish these were the changes they'd hotfixed in. :/

Try going as your core build and see how it feels,stormrazor gives you a nice 30% AS,and more importantly boat loads of damage.

Honestly getting 2x zeals is not worth now,not just because of that 20% wasted crit,but just cause of the disgusting price on it,also with support nerfs and pyke supports running around everywhere i rush GA as my 4th or 5th item anyway and i've noticed they do it in the LCS too,damn copycats lol

Anyway try something like this + / / depending on the situation. I mean you can switch tabi for zerkers and not build GA BT or Maw,but i highly recommend you try it,so many times ive won just cause they couldnt deal enough damage to kill me or cause they blow everything to get my GA and then just get chased down. Also the armor from tabi and ga alone give you about 30% more effective HP against AD enemies than if you didn't have it,at lvl 18 thats like having 700 more hp than your enemy who opts not to buy it,not including the GA even

Crit ADC's are out of meta due to the short game times, the average game doesn't last long enough for you to build a crit item or two then into infinity edge unless you get fed, and even then the enemy team might've surrendered by then. riot just needs to make the game progress slower (and raise xp for leveling up in the client)

While I agree with this post, I want to add one more thing MAKE LONG SWORDS BUILD INTO BF SWORD PLEASE

(also the same thing for amplifying tomb into rabadons, since this issue is the same for deathcap)

I would be more than happy if riot could stop buffing in the name of buffing ADC. Very few ADC can use it, but A LOT OF assassins and bruisers can abuse it. Better name it anti-ADC item.

While the crit is definitely a factor, I don't think it's the only one. If that was the only reason, then and would be strong, too, since they can do the on-hit build as well. What differentiates these two from the others you mentioned is the fact that they are immobile and they can easily be dove by enemy bruisers, so, while changing crit items could help, I'm not sure it would be enough.

I have a lot of issues with crit, and I do think part of the issue lies with crit marksmen simply being out of favor in an environment where the late game is super short, and doesn't let them shine as much. However, with that said, I think this is still an excellent analysis, and I agree with much of it and the proposals. Here are my thoughts on the two points:

1. The intent here is good, though I feel it may not work out, as we've had the exact reverse situation already with Rabadon's Deathcap: previously, the item built off of + + , and that build path sucked, because the item was being picked among the last in the player's inventory. Because players didn't have three slots to spare at that point, they basically ended up sitting on a NLR, maybe a Blasting Wand and a bunch of gold, and had to wait super long in order to build Deathcap. Because IE is now being built fairly late usually on crit marksmen, it might therefore run into the same problem with the suggested recipe. Some ideas I had in mind to answer this:

• Having some intermediary item instead could perhaps ease the situation, by giving players more milestones before getting to the expensive item they want. IE has two unique passives, either or both of which could probably be turned into some smaller component item with a slightly weaker version of the effect.
• A kookier idea could be to give items like Deathcap and IE a progression like Viktor's Hex Core, where you'd start off with a big stat item, i.e. NLR/BF Sword, then put some gold into it to make it a bigger AD/AP stick, and repeat a few times to finally end up with the final product, at the same total build cost. This could also allow the player to build towards their big amp item, without needing more than one slot to progress smoothly.

2. I agree with this. 30% crit chance on Zeal items is super awkward when those items are meant to be paired with an item that doubles their crit chance, with a stat that caps at 100%. At the end of the day, a 5%/10% reduction in crit chance isn't super huge, especially if it comes with a reduction in cost, and doing so could enable some additional level of choice for crit users who want to fully commit to a 3-crit item build, and do so cleanly. I also feel one of the problems with crit marksmen is that they're a little too late-oriented, so letting them scale just a tiny bit faster in exchange for fewer total stats I think wouldn't hurt.

Good point, dont lower adc item cost, but making the build paths for some big items like IE a lot more forgivable would feel a ton better without breaking ADCs.

Havnig something to look forward to every back and being able to be more flexible with backs would be a neat buff to ADCs without actually making them insane.