So the adc that makes around 2k in 2 AA isn't getting fixed or nerfed?

ValiantKiller·Apr 18, 2018·33 votes·10,101 views

yes talking about that thing added to 2 patchs and yet no fix for that 1k+ AD.

And they say assassin got alot of AD, joke on you.

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saltranApr 18, 201826 votes

The most important for me is that in the LCK Finals Rageblade on Jhin wasn't allowed, AFS Kramer literally couldn't buy it.

Why ban a item for a champ in pro play but don't fix it?

ApexInTheCircleApr 18, 20184 votes

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The most important for me is that in the LCK Finals Rageblade on Jhin wasn't allowed, AFS Kramer literally couldn't buy it.

Why ban a item for a champ in pro play but don't fix it?

Because Jhin walks a fine line between being extremely broken and complete and utter shit. Rage blade can't be nerfed because alot of champions core it now but Jhin can't be nerfed because he will literally be useless or next to. This whole situation is fucked.

101100111000Apr 18, 20187 votes

Welcome to Questionable Changes Central, featuring Jhin, the super-scaling ADC.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20183 votes

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Because Jhin walks a fine line between being extremely broken and complete and utter shit. Rage blade can't be nerfed because alot of champions core it now but Jhin can't be nerfed because he will literally be useless or next to. This whole situation is fucked.

Or they could just disable the item from item he allowed to buy just like the ranged part where some items you not allowed to buy if you ranged , if they did disable it in lck then i think they can do the same in live server but nah let's keep up with that broken thing.

Critmaster GarenApr 18, 20185 votes

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Jhin can't be nerfed

if he was anything else than an adc and one of their largest cash cows, they would have nerfed him to the ground and maybe reworked him in 3 years if hes lucky.

source: urgot, sejuani, olaf, eve, various assassins.

Glory97Apr 18, 20183 votes

Sure he can be nerfed. Just remove this stupid interaction between ragebalde and his passive. So that only permanent stats are accounted in jhins passive.

MelledoneusApr 19, 20182 votes

Then enchanters become useless with Jhin. That's the issue.

Glory97Apr 19, 20181 votes

Then just make a cap for non-permanent stats taken into calculation

Sire HippingtonApr 19, 20181 votes

They just need to fix the bugged interaction between his passive and gunisoos. it's supposed to increase his ad by 24% by full stacks, yet it boosts it by ~60%. a 800ad jhin should reach 992ad at fullstacks(800 x 1.24), maybe some more as the increased as increases the passive bonus by 12% aswell, yet he reaches ~1300. The issue seems to be that the binus ad from guinsoos creats more bonus ad from his passive, which in turn creates more bonus from guinssos which then again creates more ad from the passive and so on, createing a loop that eventually caps out. They have the tech to prevent such loops, they used it on vlads passive, so why don't they use it here?

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20184 votes

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The most important for me is that in the LCK Finals Rageblade on Jhin wasn't allowed, AFS Kramer literally couldn't buy it.

Why ban a item for a champ in pro play but don't fix it?

And what is more fun, why not banned it in live server since it broken on him till you fix it ?

TonyTonyMordecaiApr 18, 20181 votes

Can you link that game? Or what were the teams involved in that match so I could find it easier?

saltranApr 19, 20181 votes

As I said it was the LCK Finals between Afreeca Freecs and Kingzone DragonX, here's the full video of the Bestof5: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/250191232

Or you can search for the videos on Lol eSports Youtube also.

TonyTonyMordecaiApr 19, 20181 votes

Thank you for this

SureMyBADApr 19, 20181 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/h19muGEu-nerf-adc-midlanersmid-mains

Snatching top comment

hhaavviikkApr 18, 201820 votes

no doubt ezreal is proud of jhin for single handedly ruining a item

saltranApr 18, 20186 votes

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no doubt ezreal is proud of jhin for single handedly ruining a item

That made me laugh

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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no doubt ezreal is proud of jhin for single handedly ruining a item

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 18, 201811 votes

"but jhin is the best designed adc and he's so cool and 4 is so funny eksdee. he does the most dmg cuz he needs to reload, and he's totally immobile and has no self peel. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

######/s

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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"but jhin is the best designed adc and he's so cool and 4 is so funny eksdee. he does the most dmg cuz he needs to reload, and he's totally immobile and has no self peel. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

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Have no self peel and immobile, yet got the wide range and root to ping people down. Sureeeeeeeeeeeeee

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 18, 20182 votes

it's all i see when ppl talk about jhin. Champ's kit is overloaded as hell, he's never gonna be balanced.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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it's all i see when ppl talk about jhin. Champ's kit is overloaded as hell, he's never gonna be balanced.

Jayce Elise Nidalee Udyr so much kit= thing never balanced

RocketRelmApr 18, 20182 votes

To be fair, those arguments make sense when talking about why his design is better than the other marksmen in the game.

The problem is more that the bar is just set that low when it comes to ADC design.

Jerry SeinfeIdApr 18, 20183 votes

it really isn't. plenty of adc right now are fine, and it's because they're fine that they're considered garbage. Why play something like jinx or ashe who actually need 3 items when you can pick xayah or trist and 100-0 with a bf sword while also being stupidly safe.

Idk the current state of jhin, but if he's meta that means he's oneshotting ppl again.

being Immobile while running like an olylmpic runner isn't really being immobile. Like, imagine if jinx' passive popped everytime she crits... Sure he's gated by running on ammo, but honestly you don't even need a 4th auto. He's compensated in every single way possible for it. He has a slow and a root, he's got plenty of tools to protect himself.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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it really isn't. plenty of adc right now are fine, and it's because they're fine that they're considered garbage. Why play something like jinx or ashe who actually need 3 items when you can pick xayah or trist and 100-0 with a bf sword while also being stupidly safe.

Idk the current state of jhin, but if he's meta that means he's oneshotting ppl again.

being Immobile while running like an olylmpic runner isn't really being immobile. Like, imagine if jinx' passive popped everytime she crits... Sure he's gated by running on ammo, but honestly you don't even need a 4th auto. He's compensated in every single way possible for it. He has a slow and a root, he's got plenty of tools to protect himself.

Don't forgot that his R is a secure ticket to hell, he can just stand behind his whole team while they hard frontline and he bash people with his damage. To be honest the only two adc that i could say that they immobile and easy to assassin is KogMaw and Varus sure varus got his ult but as assassin honestly i never saw the problem dealing with him as much dealing with jumps from Tristana or Xayah R or the busted Kaisa shield and hide dash same apply to Vayne without the shield part, Twitch can slow and hide run, Draven got his damage poping his hp quickly while in same time can push you around and now we got Jhin with one AA healing himself almost from 20-70% atleast while able to take you down in 1 AA + 1 root

RocketRelmApr 18, 20181 votes

The major problem is that his numbers are too high (specifically with Rageblade). This is the fundamental problem of the ADC class, as ranged point-and-click stat checkers who typically offer little outside of said stat-checking, whenever they are good they are necessarily going to be overbearing. The only thing separating Jinx and Ashe from being overbearing are a few numbers.

Ashe when top tier is basically a more bearable Kalista. Jinx when top tier is basically how Jhin is now, except without the reloading. None of these ADC designs are okay or healthy.

The thing to do would be to address ADCs as a class, which Riot is promising to do in mid season, but I'm not holding my breath on that until I see it.

Its All SkillzzApr 18, 20183 votes

Watched a noc try to kill a jhin who had 6 stacks of rage blade on minion, lol pretty much 1 shot him.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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Watched a noc try to kill a jhin who had 6 stacks of rage blade on minion, lol pretty much 1 shot him.

Please i saw zed try to do that to jhin and jhin bashed him into 1 hit once he came out of his R.

Its All SkillzzApr 18, 20181 votes

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Please i saw zed try to do that to jhin and jhin bashed him into 1 hit once he came out of his R.

i mean jhin 1 shot him and healed from half hp to full in 1 AA it was hilarious im sure i can create a clip of it if i check my match history as it was recent on my other acc.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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i mean jhin 1 shot him and healed from half hp to full in 1 AA it was hilarious im sure i can create a clip of it if i check my match history as it was recent on my other acc.

It just remind me how fast they was on nerfing assassins and while leaving things like that fine lol

Automated RivenApr 19, 20181 votes

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T4underboltApr 18, 20183 votes

If you could I would be really pleased to watch it, but I believe that could happen since I saw sht like this on my own eyes, but still it would be entertaining to watch.

Flawless FetusApr 19, 20181 votes

That's what he gets for trying to 1v1 a 3+ item champ with full rageblade stacks. Lol. Noct pretty much int'd there.

Flawless FetusApr 19, 20183 votes

Are we going to ignore the fact that he's still one of the low tier adc's? His interaction with rageblade is dumb, but he's still weak af. lol.

ValiantKillerApr 19, 20181 votes

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Are we going to ignore the fact that he's still one of the low tier adc's? His interaction with rageblade is dumb, but he's still weak af. lol.

What you get from kit full with alot of stuff that unable to be balanced, like Jayce Udyr Elise Nidalee

KlydeFrogApr 18, 20182 votes

Well first off he needs to stack it to gain that damage and 2nd rageblade isn't anything new on him so why all the complaining now? There are still people who play him that aren't smart enough to start dorans ring on him. Also you can literally put rage blade on anyadc and make them to considerable amounts of damage. Are you going to complain about tf getting it because he can stun you and hit you twice with his e. Please stop complaining About something that anyone can use.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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Well first off he needs to stack it to gain that damage and 2nd rageblade isn't anything new on him so why all the complaining now? There are still people who play him that aren't smart enough to start dorans ring on him. Also you can literally put rage blade on anyadc and make them to considerable amounts of damage. Are you going to complain about tf getting it because he can stun you and hit you twice with his e. Please stop complaining About something that anyone can use.

Okey let's talk about the facts here ,as an assassin if i have to deal with adc in range they won't be able to burst me quickly before i burst them (Except the broken busted Kai right now, we all know she is busted ) because their damage need to build over time while jhin on other hand just need 2 aa after getting 3/6 stacks to delete me. I saw that today on zed getting shred in seconds once he came out from his r on jhin. And aside from assassin, any type of mages or tanker or bruiser that get caught into jhin root will be deleted while other adc won't pin you down that hard and if we talking about vayne , vayne range is short compared to jhin skills and R.

KlydeFrogApr 18, 20181 votes

Graves can do that to . Many champs can so what's ur point . Kai isn't busted as you say

SpecterVonBarenApr 19, 20182 votes

What I'm wondering is why I'm not seeing any Jhin's in my games build it.

ValiantKillerApr 19, 20181 votes

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What I'm wondering is why I'm not seeing any Jhin's in my games build it.

Well ask them not me, every jhin i saw so far build it and every people in LCK tried to build it but it was disabled by game.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20181 votes

To be fair, Jhin was considered a secondary assassin and he has a long reload time.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20183 votes

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To be fair, Jhin was considered a secondary assassin and he has a long reload time.

It is fun to have to deal with secondary assassin from range, thank you. Assassin are meant to face to face you not to range destroy you.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20182 votes

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It is fun to have to deal with secondary assassin from range, thank you. Assassin are meant to face to face you not to range destroy you.

Did you read over the fact he can't do anything for 2-4 seconds after 4 basics or did you skip that because of how broken other adcs are? Or the fact his attack speed actually hurts him, putting him in reload faster?

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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Did you read over the fact he can't do anything for 2-4 seconds after 4 basics or did you skip that because of how broken other adcs are? Or the fact his attack speed actually hurts him, putting him in reload faster?

I didn't skip anything but after that 2-4 second of no reload time ? is it fair to just smash someone in almost one AA with a follow of root ?

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20182 votes

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I didn't skip anything but after that 2-4 second of no reload time ? is it fair to just smash someone in almost one AA with a follow of root ?

Actually yes because his reload is THAT LONG. You should prob play him before whining about him. You clearly haven't. He should be doing more damage than those who build attack speed. Saying otherwise clearly means you have no sense of balancing.

ValiantKillerApr 18, 20181 votes

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Actually yes because his reload is THAT LONG. You should prob play him before whining about him. You clearly haven't. He should be doing more damage than those who build attack speed. Saying otherwise clearly means you have no sense of balancing.

He suppose to make more damage, i agree on that part. But now that amount of damage is op and bugged hence why that rageblade got disabled on him during the LCK as everyone mention down in the post. Stop defending a bug in a game just because you like it, God.

rtbf221651412Apr 18, 20181 votes

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He suppose to make more damage, i agree on that part. But now that amount of damage is op and bugged hence why that rageblade got disabled on him during the LCK as everyone mention down in the post. Stop defending a bug in a game just because you like it, God.

I'm a support/jungle main. You new here?

I'm slowly learning mid. I know ADC but I just don't like last hitting. Boring concept for me.

Flawless FetusApr 20, 20181 votes

Why do you think it's bugged? It's bullshit, sure. But it's working as intended - similar to Cho's ulti with gaygyole's stoneplate.

ValiantKillerApr 20, 20181 votes

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Why do you think it's bugged? It's bullshit, sure. But it's working as intended - similar to Cho's ulti with gaygyole's stoneplate.

Cause some of the inside of the game said it "may " be bugged and they did disable it for jhin champion in LCK for a reason.

Flawless FetusApr 21, 20181 votes

That's fine. Disabling it for a reason doesn't make it a bug. It's working as intended . lol.