Stealth:Invisible champs are now balanced around actually being invisible

OyddAWqJ5r·Nov 25, 2016·16 votes·1,023 views

But still reveals them. He's not the only one though. There's a few stealth reveals on champions that just seem like they're "accidentally" there.

Granting vision of a visible champion in FoW is fine, but revealing stealth takes half of the gameplay stealth champions are balanced around having. If Pinks were changed for that reason champions with needlessly tacked on stealth reveals should be too.

Edit: and revealing stealth locations is fine because it doesn't allow targeting and keeps their stealth partially intact.

26 Comments

OyddAWqJ5rNov 25, 20167 votes

I find myself banning LeeSin frequently just so i can actually use stealth champions and expect to be invisible when stealthed.

Big LincolnNov 25, 20165 votes

"remove all ability to counter my mechanic"

SaiannaNov 25, 20162 votes

Riot actively removes blind from the game Riot actively removes point and click hard CC abilities from the game Riot actively nerfs all mages and mage items every update Riot actively nerfs anyone who has the power to duel ADC

It's already happening And in this case removing Lee sins stealth detection Is at very least fair.

Asayake 5150glowNov 25, 20162 votes

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Riot actively removes point and click hard CC abilities from the game

TwistedFate

You were saying?

AcidTheWarlockNov 25, 20161 votes

Annie Fiddlesticks Irelia Ryze

whaaaaat?

Asayake 5150glowNov 25, 20162 votes

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whaaaaat?

Well Fiddle's was effectively removed from the game :P

AcidTheWarlockNov 25, 20161 votes

Explain, I didn't see anything about Fiddle recently.

Of course, I've only ever seen 2.

Asayake 5150glowNov 25, 20161 votes

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Explain, I didn't see anything about Fiddle recently.

Of course, I've only ever seen 2.

That's the point.

AcidTheWarlockNov 25, 20161 votes

I feel like I just missed a joke.

Besides the current state of Fiddlesticks.

[slayer-jinx-wink]

SaiannaNov 25, 20163 votes

remoVES not remoVED.

And then TF has to pick a card and THEN throw it. If card setup is bad, it'll take you a good 1 second + time till it hits. Thus it's somehow balanced, cause you can prepare more or less.

ZT XperimentorNov 25, 20161 votes

Removed blinds? Graves Quinn

SaiannaNov 25, 20161 votes

they lost AA-missing blinds for screen blinds.

Also don't forget Heimerdinger and summoner 3 ;)

ZT XperimentorNov 25, 20161 votes

Honestly I'd rather have the auto-misses instead of gimped vision; at least you can still use abilities reliably. Been a long time since I thought of him doing that though XD

OyddAWqJ5rDec 8, 20161 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/12/126-pbe-update.html

Yes :^)

A Basic IslandNov 25, 20163 votes

uh im pretty sure they added that mechanic on alot of champs for a very specific reason...

stealth champs aren't balanced around actually being invisible, they're balanced around not being invalidated by a 150g (or 75 now) ward

Photos of GhostsNov 25, 20162 votes

That's counterpick. You can't delete the kit of a champ through counterpick. Especially not one that's as generically strong and blind pickable as Lee.

ZT XperimentorNov 25, 20163 votes

I'm not surprised riot overlooks their poster child for having more in his kit than most champions.

PookeyTheCatNov 25, 20162 votes

Lulu

FantasySniperNov 25, 20162 votes

It never made much sense to me why some things have true sight, and others just have normal sight.

I mean, it's a known feature of item 3092 that its ghosts follow stealthed champions and will reveal them (with true vision) the moment that they unstealth.

But summoner 14 can't have true vision when it's a short-ranged and unit-targeted spell?

DrugsForRobotsNov 25, 20161 votes

Worse still is that both of those things share the same icon, but the one is 'True Sight reveal' and the other is 'plain Sight reveal'.

MarshbouyNov 25, 20162 votes

It's not just Lee Sin though, there are other anti-stealth champions too. For the life of me i can't remember them. I think Lulu is one

ArakadiaNov 25, 20162 votes

I don't get why Lulu can reveal stealth, it just seems strange on her.

DrugsForRobotsNov 25, 20161 votes

Having True Sight on champions isn't needless and is probably a good thing. The real issue IMO is that the champions with invisibility in their kits don't have any tell-tale signs or audio / visual cues that they need to be mindful of. Rengar, Eve, and Twitch are the exceptions, but only one of those champs has an audio cue, unique warning indicator, and a the whole 'is revealed if he gets too close'. (Talking about Rengar.)

As A Basic Island said, "stealth champs aren't balanced around actually being invisible, they're balanced around not being invalidated by a 150g (or 75 now) ward." I think that's accurate. The stealth champs without 'camouflage' (which is really just invisibility based on proximity) are probably even weaker than they were, excluding Talon who can put a wall between himself and everyone like it's nothing.

Also, another problem is that the icons for 'True Sight' and 'Plain Sight' are exactly the same. Let Lee's Q land on you. The icon is exactly the same as Jinx's Zap! but Lee's is TS and Jinx's is PS. Where's the clarity Riot?

AninLegions777Nov 25, 20161 votes

Trash logic. You are saying remove one of the few counterplays to stealth so that stealth champs can become even more insane? I bet you'll be the first to start a thread like "OMG RITO STEALTH CHAMPS TEW STRONK GIVE LEE TRUE SIGHT BACK PLS RITO GODS" Pfft.

ArakadiaNov 25, 20166 votes

Your saying counter pick is counter play? Your logic is pretty trash.

AninLegions777Nov 25, 20161 votes

It was a typo. You can point out the mistake instead of acting like a 7-year old.