There's a common trend in all my wins and losses lately

Is it really? Whenever I am that bad jungler, we always lose before 6 mins unless my team has some braincells and can let me at least get lv 3 before crying for ganks.

Yes, you can influence bot as a jungle. Problem is, you no longer can influence bot as bot.

Nah bro, if the enemy team has one good assassin and one of them gets fed, you're dead regardless of how fed you are. Or you might get a support that engages > peels cough cough so you won't have time to do damage anyway.

The ADC role is super dependent on people protecting them, I've lost plenty of games when ahead as ADC because my team didn't have the tools or sometimes the desire to peel. A fed jungle usually means that at least one other lane is fed, that's what decides the win.

Ah, the good old days when ADCs were actually late-game champions and team reliant. Also the time of "lul ADC2K17" and "ADC is useless" posts being everywhere - despite the fact that "useless" ADCs were still mandatory in every teamcomp. Honestly, every time ADCs aren't strong in all roles and all points of the game there are waves of whiny ADC mains complaining.

in the before times

nerf both return to bruiser meta

It's widely known the boards absolutely despise anything related to ADCs being relevant while putting mages on golden pedestals. You'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. I say that as someone who prefers mages. You'll be really hard pressed to find any reasonable discussion here about ADCs.

so help your bot lane get them ahead and win games?

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riot never made you are set any rule that you have to duo bot lane... that meta came from the players adapting to the best strategy of the map...

at any point if people didnt wanna cry trolls and off meta play needs to be banned we can evolve from this meta...

so we need to look at why the adc/support meta in bot exist and why the map is played out like it is...

Adc+supp bot came from experimentation, yes, but don't pretend that Riot didn't end up simply balancing according to it. I mean, how else would you explain the buff Dragon and the splitpush Rift Herald, where the former is still far more important than the latter so the focus of the game will forever be centered at the lower part of the map? How else would you explain the strange extra resistance add-on to the top turret before? How else would you explain the mage support nerfs, or just mage bot nerfs in general? How else would you explain the numberous changes made to itemisation as an attempt to make marksmen relevant in every possible team comp from the good o' BT rework to the hottest GA rework? Etc?

Outside of the QQ community that hates change, which I get it, it's cancerous and it's happening A LOT, but don't say that Riot has no part in it by artificially gripping the bot balance with duo laning via over-emphasising its importance hence the most logical conclusion is just put 2 people there, always, at bot.

As soon as Riot finally opens their hands and actually free up the bot meta, I'm fairly sure people would, while not immediately get back to the openness towards experimentation like before, but would certainly be far less salty towards the notion of it. It's partly Riot's fault that causes this stagnation in the meta, as they nerf everything that doesn't conform or relate to it so it's natural for players to come to the conclusion that everything that doesn't follow the current meta is sub-optimal, ineffective or maybe trolling.

"Riot should really free up that choked duo bot meta, it's just not healthy for the game."

Anyone who uses all chat to inspire toxic attitudes or play should be given a zero tolerance permaban. Such sportsmanship is so cancerous that even at the highest level of play in real sports shit like this would result in actual suspension and fines.