Personal opinion: Lee Sin's R stun needs to wear off faster

OyddAWqJ5r·Sep 12, 2017·98 votes·2,809 views

His RQ combo should not be guaranteed.

For the posterboy "high skill" champ this is one of the most low skill interactions in the game.

71 Comments

Death by GlamourSep 12, 201730 votes

No it needs to be removed

aspects1Sep 12, 20178 votes

the stun or lee sin?

Ithil SnekSep 12, 201713 votes

BOTH

DivewingSep 13, 20171 votes

Yes

RewtSep 12, 201711 votes

Ayy another Lee Sin Hate thread.

Lets just throw out there that Lee has been nerfed repeatedly. He is fine.

And lets not forget the boards has a special hate for lee sin. So heres to Upvote farming with Lee Sin hate threads

ArakadiaSep 12, 201719 votes

He might be balanced but he is not fine.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 12, 20176 votes

He might be balanced but he is not fine.

Depends on whether you find blind monks attractive.

Conrad RivenSep 12, 20174 votes

He has every mechanic in the game except for Invisibility. Let that sink in

Alternate mana bar Secondary resource sustain Attack speed buff Skillshot dash Missing health damage Targeted dash Lifesteal/spellvamp Reveal Aoe damage Slow Point and click cc Displacement Knock up Bonus health % damage

How is a kit with all that EVER "fine" when champions like Mordekaiser and Blitzcrank exist with a fraction of that

SaveToTheADriveSep 13, 20171 votes

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He has every mechanic in the game except for Invisibility. Let that sink in

Alternate mana bar Secondary resource sustain Attack speed buff Skillshot dash Missing health damage Targeted dash Lifesteal/spellvamp Reveal Aoe damage Slow Point and click cc Displacement Knock up Bonus health % damage

How is a kit with all that EVER "fine" when champions like Mordekaiser and Blitzcrank exist with a fraction of that

You forgot True Sight.

SalronSep 12, 20179 votes

What buff do you have in mind in exchange for this? Because Lee is not in need of nerfs atm

OyddAWqJ5rSep 12, 201719 votes

E slow increase by 5%, take it or leave it lol

SalronSep 12, 20178 votes

I'll take no changes lmao

Weiss GuertenaSep 14, 20171 votes

I think 3 AD would do just fine.

UsanSep 12, 20177 votes

Nah , Lee is fine atm

Rıots Bad ClientSep 12, 20179 votes

I feel as if he is actually weak, Removing this hidden annoying trash, and give him a fair buff would feel better... maybe

Like change his Ap ratio on his safegaurd to health or something like that.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 12, 20179 votes

He IS definitely weak in comparison to how strong he was before. However he is still perfectly viable in the current meta especially considering the option he has of ulting that massive health tank cho gath into his team for 18% of his bonus health.

Rıots Bad ClientSep 12, 20172 votes

yea, I wouldn't want to see lee buffed specially with the runes and masteries being reworked. Because once these are a thing. It might actually make him more disgusting. But if they were to remove His stun. instead of buffing his damage, cool downs or his early game pressure. I'd rather give him a buff that would help him in later games/play off allies. Hence the ap-to-health change on shield suggestion.

TWITCHTV ERONATESep 12, 20176 votes

people are sucking your dick by upvoting your comment. i liked the initial idea of the thread but i just realised you're hating on lee for being the champ he is.

What the fuck? Perfectly viable in the current meta? LMFAO. almost 46% winrate and COMPLETELY USELESS ONCE MIDGAME STARTS AND THE ENEMY TEAM HAS AT LEAST 1 TANK. don't pick lee in my team, please.

it's a 4v5 once teamfights start since he can't get through the peel enemy tanks have for the adc and he isn't tanky enough to do anything else. The only things he can do is counterjungle and gank early, but it's not enough to get your lanes going if you're going to be useless for the rest of the game.

i don't like lee's design but i'm not hating on it even when he's a dead champ. ulting a massive tank cho gath lol that's situational as fuck and you can dodge the kicked cho also

DONT NERF HIM, DONT BUFF HIM, WAIT FOR META CHANGES TO SEE HOW IT AFFECTS HIM

HarrisonOwnsSep 12, 20173 votes

Cry about it.

Lee deserves to be in the dumpster.

SpoofghoulSep 13, 20174 votes

yea just wait till the Chogath uses item 3193 and summoner 4 in

And then you simply press R for a quadra kill

UsanSep 14, 20171 votes

That's totally fine and balanced , but lee insecs you and actually does something skillful ? nah nerf lee plz too broken

hoganftwSep 13, 20174 votes

Lee Sin is underpowered atm.

CalabokSep 12, 20173 votes

yesssss nerf him

AhrisSep 12, 20172 votes

Agreed. You cant even use minion wave to block it once he comes at you with his dash and high base movement speed. Then R ~> Q should not work.

Celestial Lion12Sep 12, 20172 votes

just remove ward hopping so he has to actually land a q to be able to suceed a gank

KarfussSep 12, 20173 votes

Won't ever happen, Riot have already announced that they love his 'unique' ward hop interaction, going so far as to create a jungler item specifically for it. If he was ever overpowered, he'd be balanced around it.

Although I do agree that a pseudo assassin shouldn't have two gank tools where one isn't an ultimate, relying on one that can never fail should Q miss. There isn't skill expression there.

Now if an ally gets behind the enemy, you hop to them and do your kick shenanigans... I'd consider that fine, healthy and teamwork.

SpoofghoulSep 14, 20171 votes

Sion Syndra can also throw the minion you throw your q on behind the enemy

funny shit

Sion can do that to a lot of champs actually since his E is pretty fast you see an enemy braum hopping to one of his minions E it away when he is mid dash Same for enemy lee sins

but you can also use it to help allies ( or troll them)

BlackwindySep 12, 20172 votes

Did you know when Lee ults you, you get rooted until the animation finishes? That's something like a 0.1 second root but just imagine if Tristana or Vayne had a root on their knockbacks, making them impossible to reposition. If anything needs to go, it's the damn root. When I play Darius , it denies my ult (roots deny my ult).

yay nibbersSep 12, 20172 votes

I get the Darius ult frustration but comparing Lee Sin's knockback to Tristana's and Vayne's is just ridiculous. You know they both do their knockbacks at range, right? Lee Sin has to get into melee range to do his (yes I know that's not exactly the hardest thing for him to do) and that alone puts him at risk purely because right in the face of the enemy is one of the most dangerous places you can be.

BlackwindySep 12, 20171 votes

Yes I know but it's still hard cc which is never mentioned. Considering it's hard cc it should be mentioned somewhere and not be hidden power. And as long as it denies the guillotine it's a problem.

Tails9016Sep 12, 20172 votes

I forgot it's not an execute ability.

That's the only time I see it used in low elo, as an execute.

Once in a blue moon do they use it for it's cc.

RykagnarSep 13, 20172 votes

I mean, I suppose it's a good idea. But Riot won't do that. They need their LC$ Big Play$. Sorry to break it to you, but Lee's nerfs a while back are probably all he's going to get for a few years.

Dope SoloSep 12, 20171 votes

All CC is too long at this point.

Meep ManSep 12, 20171 votes

This game has the shortest average duration CC of any MOBA.

TwinkieProSep 12, 20171 votes

But it also has the highest abundance of CC in any Moba.

NineTailedMysticSep 12, 20171 votes

I'd rather have 5 champions with five 1-1.5s CCs than 1 champion with a one 3s CC.

Zëd LęppelinSep 12, 20172 votes

One for all Morgana says hello

OyddAWqJ5rSep 13, 20172 votes

Oh man speaking of One for All it's been awhile since the last one and we have a lot of new scary things we can do lol.

New Zac seems like even more of a CC lockdown fest than it was before. 5 Zac ults repeatedly bouncing all 5 around. I wanna see it.

Conrad RivenSep 12, 20171 votes

Ahri player.

play juggernauts and have to chase down the enemy when all of them have slows stuns suppressions roots or displacements and tell me how fair that is

SteelflameSep 12, 20171 votes

But also the highest average DPS/burst of any moba.

DepressedTomokoSep 12, 20171 votes

@@@@@@@@@@@@ lee sin is broken so lets remove everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know QSS is a thing, right?

Andrey0345Sep 12, 20171 votes

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@@@@@@@@@@@@ lee sin is broken so lets remove everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you know QSS is a thing, right?

So every game I play vs lee, i buy QSS (even as ap) to ONLY counter his R stun and have tiny window to cast flash/dash to hope not to die? No.

DepressedTomokoSep 14, 20171 votes

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So every game I play vs lee, i buy QSS (even as ap) to ONLY counter his R stun and have tiny window to cast flash/dash to hope not to die? No.

We apologize that we can't fit your needs because you don't want to spend gold/use a summoner spell to avoid CC, so we'll remove it from the game just for you. We heard your complaints, so we're also removing QSS and Cleanse because they clearly seem like a lot of work for you.

Andrey0345Sep 14, 20171 votes

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We apologize that we can't fit your needs because you don't want to spend gold/use a summoner spell to avoid CC, so we'll remove it from the game just for you. We heard your complaints, so we're also removing QSS and Cleanse because they clearly seem like a lot of work for you.

It is not CC and probably wasn't meant to be. It is a useless time window while I can't do anything and it wouldn't hurt to remove it from the game. It doesn't even say it does that in the tooltip.

DepressedTomokoSep 16, 20171 votes

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It is not CC and probably wasn't meant to be. It is a useless time window while I can't do anything and it wouldn't hurt to remove it from the game. It doesn't even say it does that in the tooltip.

" Lee Sin roundhouse kicks the target enemy champion, instantly rooting them for 0.25 seconds, dealing physical damage and** knocking them back 1200 units **over 1 second. Enemies hit by the enemy-turned-projectile receive bonus physical damage and are knocked up for 1 second."

Do you know what being airborne is? If it wasn't meant to be it wouldn't be in the game for over a month, it would have been abused in LCS and then instantly removed a patch later. It clearly states what it does, you just don't care to read it apparently.

Andrey0345Sep 12, 20171 votes

But come on, you need to actually land that Q even if he is knocked back. You can't guarantee your Q will hit him while he's flying. It requires skill.

OyddAWqJ5rSep 13, 20172 votes

They fly in a straight line. Literally click on them with Q and it'll hit.

Andrey0345Sep 13, 20172 votes

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They fly in a straight line. Literally click on them with Q and it'll hit.

but i was just kidding

OyddAWqJ5rSep 13, 20172 votes

u got me lol