Another S+, another feeding ADC that cost me a ranked match

Ok sure but why·Apr 12, 2017·1 votes·890 views

Why do feeders have to be in my game so consistently? Why can't they be forced to play normals until they knew what the hell they were doing?

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Rock MDApr 12, 201710 votes

Because it's not against the rules to be bad at the game.

Are you telling me that you never feed? Because I have your op.gg and believe me you can either accept that everyone has bad games or I can show you you're a hypocrite.

RenownedWheat42Apr 12, 20175 votes

Look at every single Galio game you've played recently. If you think feeders shouldn't play ranked, be a good sport and hop out first yourself.

Ok sure but whyApr 12, 20171 votes

I go Galio support. The only way I do bad is if that ADC feeds his ass off first, which op.gg admits is 45% of the time.

Rock MDApr 12, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7GELQEAq,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-12T03:24:45.299+0000)

I go Galio support. The only way I do bad is if that ADC feeds his ass off first, which op.gg admits is 45% of the time.

4/9/1 Darius 3/9/7 Galio top

You don't even buy a sightstone as support.

How would you like it if I started calling you a terrible support that doesn't know the game and should be banned from ranked because you don't know how to build.

It'd fucking suck wouldn't it? But based on your logic I'd be correct.

RenownedWheat42Apr 12, 20174 votes

Not even just without sightstone, but no support income item either.

PaquayApr 12, 20172 votes

Thats ok, he doesn't need a support income item. Check the CS. Someone's eating from his master's plate, lol.

Hey OP, maybe your ADCs are dying because they're gold-starved due to you stealing CS? A poor ADC is the single most useless type of champion in the game. (Except for like Ashe because enchanted crystal arrow is bad af).

Ok sure but whyApr 12, 20171 votes

I sell that Relic Shield about 25 minutes in, especially since the cheap ADC tries so hard to last-hit that I get absolutely no chance to use it on anything other than casters.

Ok sure but whyApr 12, 20173 votes

You actually think those deaths came from the early game? I have to put up with 3-man ganks in the early game every single game, and my teammates still manage to feed in their 4v2s. I usually survive those 3-man ganks, too.

Secondly, you're not even looking at the other teammates in each of those games.

Look at my last game. You think that was my fault? A 6/6 Darius when every other teammate was 0/9? Yeah, no shit I'd start dying mid-game, against a team with items and competence. That's literally every game.

You wanna prove me wrong? Wanna add me to one of your Ranked matches, go ADC, not feed and get me the hell out of this feeder-ridden ELO? I sure wouldn't mind that. I'll even let you choose which role I play, just to spice things up.

Rock MDApr 12, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7GELQEAq,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2017-04-12T04:02:25.757+0000)

You actually think those deaths came from the early game? I have to put up with 3-man ganks in the early game every single game, and my teammates still manage to feed in their 4v2s. I usually survive those 3-man ganks, too.

Secondly, you're not even looking at the other teammates in each of those games.

Look at my last game. You think that was my fault? A 6/6 Darius when every other teammate was 0/9? Yeah, no shit I'd start dying mid-game, against a team with items and competence. That's literally every game.

You wanna prove me wrong? Wanna add me to one of your Ranked matches, go ADC, not feed and get me the hell out of this feeder-ridden ELO? I sure wouldn't mind that. I'll even let you choose which role I play, just to spice things up.

Lmao hell no I'm not adding you to my Diamond matches.

Also, if you're not spreading your influence and "oh so magnificent talent" to other lanes to help them not lose so hard, then you're clearly doing something wrong. This holds especially true as the support since you're playing one of the better roaming roles in the game.

Ok sure but whyApr 12, 20171 votes

I did that, too. I left lane for one minute to help my team win a fight, and lost all three of my towers to a split-pushing Yi, because the rest of their team wouldn't let me recall until I killed them all myself.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd let me prove you wrong. I've played hours and hours on end, and I've seen nothing but other lanes feed and troll, yet you spend five seconds reading "JZ Jora lost these matches" and assume that any bit of it was my fault.

Tell me this: in your climb to Diamond, how many games did you win when the rest of your team got shit on? How many games did you single-handedly carry 1v5 after every other lane got fed? Because according to op.gg, I'm only able to do it 45% of the time.

Rock MDApr 12, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7GELQEAq,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-04-12T17:42:01.238+0000)

I did that, too. I left lane for one minute to help my team win a fight, and lost all three of my towers to a split-pushing Yi, because the rest of their team wouldn't let me recall until I killed them all myself.

Yeah, I didn't think you'd let me prove you wrong. I've played hours and hours on end, and I've seen nothing but other lanes feed and troll, yet you spend five seconds reading "JZ Jora lost these matches" and assume that any bit of it was my fault.

Tell me this: in your climb to Diamond, how many games did you win when the rest of your team got shit on? How many games did you single-handedly carry 1v5 after every other lane got fed? Because according to op.gg, I'm only able to do it 45% of the time.

You know what? You add me and I'll spectate your games, because I know there's a lot more that you're either

a. unwilling to admit b. unwilling to realize

Ok sure but whyApr 13, 20171 votes

Deal.

CannonLordFreedApr 12, 20171 votes

If you want to blame you screwing up on your team, be my guest. But please, shut the fuck up about it. I'm tired of seeing threads about it. If your team is legitimately that bad, don't go galio support. He's far too team reliant to be good in low tiers and he just gets outclassed in higher tiers. If you get allies that bad, go Tahm Kench support. Your problems will go away almost immediately. Just buy relic shield, sightstone, and dead man's plate and you can carry so long as your opponent's team doesn't have Draven or Vayne.

QuickenedBladeApr 12, 20171 votes

In in my promos to diamond right now, wish me luck. Losses you have, I analyzed, half of them are you feeding lane. The other half is your team feeding hard. It happens and u have to just manage that. Nobody has 100% win rate with 88 games unless they're dodging every single loss and is smurfing. Boards is the circle jerk of "mm is balanced" n shit. I don't get it. They either only play Norms/ARAM, or they are Bronze. Don't listen to them. You can 1trick Darius to challenger if you're good enough or you can play some of the mages I listed below. They are very good carries if you can play them.

Play a mid laner with carry potential

my favorite is Orianna

otherwise Fizz Cassiopeia Katarina Syndra are pretty freelo

You can play them ANYWHERE. I've played Syndra Jg in my Elo, I've played Fizz ADC. Doesn't matter. There's no reason why they can't go into any role. Obviously Orianna can't jg very well because she has no sustain and is mana dependent. If there's no logical reason why they can't do a role, then you can do it. Pick broken champs in ADC/Mid to minimize the amount of retards you get in carry positions, or if you get support play Syndra or some shit. Silvers don't know what to do against that.

Scary DoorApr 12, 20173 votes

Looking at your match history I've noticed a few things..

You feed in many of your games, yet blame others for feeding
You play support but don't buy any support items, not even a sight stone.
Gunblade on Nunu.... wow, the Bronze is shining through.
You build FULL DAMAGE Darius and wonder why you lose... bloodthirster on Darius?
You basically never ward... ever.

You are Silver V with a 46% win rate. Looks like you're about where you belong based upon that match history and choice of items.

PlsCheckThisBushApr 12, 20172 votes

As someone who enjoys playing ADC (I mained Jungle) on Summoner's Rift, I've ran into FAR too many Galio supports since the rework. Galio shoves the wave...HARD. He also takes valuable CS away (counterproductive as a support). This puts your ADC behind in powerspikes, and makes them far weaker than the enemy ADC. Sure you have a decent engage/taunt that's flashy and all, but I'd prefer a Thresh/Morgana/Nami who can safely land their abilities without the requirement of "WE'RE GOING IN 100%". That's the main issue with Galio Support, he puts himself in harm's way to protect others. Usually this ends up with a dead Galio 2v1 early game and (inevitably) flaming their ADC for not following up.

Also, buy a god damn sight stone. It's super cheap and lasts forever provided you back at opportune times. The vision it provides is invaluable and will save both yourself and your "shit adc" from potential ganks. You're in an elo where anything goes, essentially. You might have a D5 mechanics Lee Sin who has 0 macro-play up against B3 mechanics Rek'Sai who played Starcraft for years and macro-play comes second-nature to them. The B3 Rek'Sai will almost always come out on top if she counter-ganks properly and denies any of the pressure Lee Sin tries to exert, so long as there aren't horrific mistakes made.

Vision wins games - HARD. Check out a lot of higher-level streamers and notice how vision is obtained/agreed upon. Usually you'll see a line of pinks along one side of the river (top would be easiest) that ensure the enemy has no vision there. Thus, the enemy team doesn't want to go to that area and any ganks are pinged out FAR ahead of time. In Bot lane, you'll want to know what kind of ganks you're up against. Rek'Sai? Ward the bush behind your tower, she will tunnel in and enjoy the free meal. Rengar? Keep a ward in the enemy's lane bush if things look suspicious so he doesn't jump out and say hi. Use your wards safely, going off to ward Dragon without your ADC is risky, especially if you run into, say, Lee Sin finishing that Scuttle Crab. He will turn on you and their team will likely flank from their Tri-Bush and you're now in a 2v3 at best, looking to transfer double buffs to your opposing laner - not a fun time.

You can even deny vision with the Sweeper, I'd highly recommend swapping your warding trinket out for that once you pick up Sight Stone. It forces a LOT of pressure, especially if you already have an advantage. Oh you liked knowing when the Nidalee Spear first launched so you'll have more time to dodge it? Nope, not anymore. Much easier skillshots and gank potential for your team.

As a jungler, I immediately look at how you're warding. A quick F1-5 is all the information I need along with the minimap. When I see their jungler on the minimap coming bot-side I'm already on my way if I'm in the area. If you guys back up and respect their power in numbers, I'll likely stay towards your side and continue farming to give you a safety net. If there are 0 wards and we have 0 vision of Nidalee pouncing on to your ADC and one-shotting him after a spear, there's nothing I can realistically do to salvage that. As you climb you'll notice people will ! ping you away if you're walking towards a warded bush and say "warded" which is great, this is where real growth begins. Now I have to find a more clever route to gank that lane. Over the wall? Maybe...Through Baron?...Possibly...or if my laner needs presence just show up and sit on that ward as insurance. If they keep playing with fire, they're going to get burned. I specifically remember a Skarner game I had a long time ago where there was a Top lane Yasuo, who just didn't get the memo on warding and Fog of War, I guess. I walked up while he was playing Ninja Gaiden through the minions, stunned him and took him to less than half health before he flashed away towards his turret. Job well done, in my eyes, we got his flash for literally nothing. I expected him to back, Teleport to his tower, and scrounge up whatever CS he has left. But no, not a second after I walked into the bush he turned back and IMMEDIATELY started going anime swordsman through the minions again and playing aggressive against my top laner. So I walk right back up (had to wait for W, it was THAT short of a time frame) stun him, and kill him. Now he proceeds to flame me, his team, my top laner, everyone that wasn't him. But if he just placed a SINGLE ward he could have avoided that entire situation. He likely wouldn't have lost his flash (unless he is VERY overextended) and certainly wouldn't have lost his life the second time around. But nope, he flamed his team for being garbage and "can't carry this trash team report our jg no ganks afk pls ty." Stuff like that is what we have to put up with as junglers, I couldn't imagine how bad the morale on their team was after that, much less that individual's will to play. The game was won rather quickly, as we continually killed the Yasuo, pushed his towers into the base and took their Nexus. Never once did he ward properly, even after we told him to, and explained the keys to use it, he insisted he didn't need wards he would just "outplay" whoever came but "we're all pussies sending more than 1 top". The few times the enemy jungler even tried to come over didn't end well as we had an insurmountable amount of stats and were well-prepared to tower dive them as soon as they showed up.

TL;DR: Buy Sightstone and learn some really nice places to put those wards down. Your jungler just killed their enemy jungler? Sweet! Time to go ward up their jungle and keep tabs on the mofo. Your jungler just died to theirs? Let's ward our Blue in case they go for a steal we can collapse on them. Wards create MANY opportunities for you to make plays on. Even as a measly support you can easily chase out a greedy jungler looking to take your entire bot side from your team. Your team SHOULD (as you rank up you'll tend to find people more focused on map awareness and Assistance Pings rarely go unanswered) assist you if you call for it, and will generally pick up an easy kill AND salvage the farm. Now the enemy jungler is incredibly far behind, and your jungler didn't even have to do anything! It's a team game, try to think about what this is doing for your TEAM, rather than just the bot lane KDA. In a meta where 5-man diving bot lane is common, you'll definitely have to adjust to this. You can't change which ADC you are paired with, but you can do your best to protect them and play off the strong sides of the map. If you roam and your ADC is safe alone, this puts incredible pressure elsewhere on the map. You've essentially made a second jungler. 3-manning top, 3-manning mid, then they'll return the favor and go bot to ensure all their lanes are winning and getting towers.