Why does Evelynn gets to have a free Void Staff in her kit?

Ahristocats·Jan 7, 2018·10 votes·1,435 views

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this champion is so freelo and yet isn't being nerfed in 8.1/8.2 lol

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you literally gave her a free void staff, when she already has a 2 seconds hard cc ¿?¿? 35% total mr ** SHRED**!?

wow, i didn't know that an assassin's job was to send tanks's resistances into oblivion and make his team able to faceroll them how about you give zed's ult 35% armor shred to see what happens?

and what happened to "build resistances to counter assassins?" you have 60 mr thanks to qss and evelynn is still allowed to deal pure damage with only ?

do you remember any assassins having 35% armor/mr shred?

god, at least make it mr penetration

29 Comments

Craft ZeppelinJan 7, 20185 votes

item 3135

The sole item that is screwing up mage itemization because of how strong it is, and Eve gets TWO of them. Sounds like double cleaver right? lmao

There are a lot of reasons why MR shred is so rare in this game and Eve's most powerful yet go-to strat is to disable their frontline not just by disrupting them with CC, but also busting a large hole in their defences.

I say this is unique, and makes her able to assassinate in ALL stages of the game NO MATTER WHO, and she needs it to be set up, but it is definitely OP.

GayFluffyUnicornJan 7, 20181 votes

You mean void staff that has been op for a long time and now even got buffed? Every single game i see the following void+sorc+haunting guise rushed as fast as even possible.

ResterJan 7, 20184 votes

Unless Evelynn is hella fed, she's pretty reliant on her team to engage in teamfights. Her job is usually just to pick off a high priority target and if she fails she has everyone else to deal with in the coming chaos.

ResterJan 7, 20183 votes

I wouldnt necessarily say free, especially if she has to be patient to proc it and she gives herself away at the moment of casting.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20186 votes

yes that's something true, she has to wait to get it i forgot that

but in teamfight it doesn't matter, she uses it on a single target then the target has to either back (4v5) or stay but then gets a 2 sec charm+35% MR shred

and no matter which target you are (tank or carry) this will be a huge problem for you

35% mr shred? if you have 200 mr that's -70 mr or something now imagine the enemy mage ACTUALLY having void staff, suddenly the mage would combo you like you're an actual squishy target

Nut on my ButtJan 7, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7F5UELid,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-01-07T11:55:35.389+0000)

yes that's something true, she has to wait to get it i forgot that

but in teamfight it doesn't matter, she uses it on a single target then the target has to either back (4v5) or stay but then gets a 2 sec charm+35% MR shred

and no matter which target you are (tank or carry) this will be a huge problem for you

35% mr shred? if you have 200 mr that's -70 mr or something now imagine the enemy mage ACTUALLY having void staff, suddenly the mage would combo you like you're an actual squishy target

That's really not how the teamfights work out.

Eve can cast charm on her target, if it's a tank, well, they're soaking up a lot of threat and Eve's full combo and a ton of pressure is relieved from the carries, especially since Eve doesn't have a real gap closer for them, and they now know her location. The way this plays out just depends on how well either team can capitalize on their respective advantage received and the team comps in general.

If she casts it on a carry, they can simply position within their team, as the charm points directly towards her upon completion, they'll know which area to avoid, and their teammates will no where to pay attention to in order to peel. Later on, she'll generally find more success trying to assassinate carries without her W rather than announcing her arrival.

If they simply back off, it's not actually a 4v5, as Eve isn't directly participating either, and they can simply go in once the mark has worn off or Eve reveals herself.

For whatever reason, Riot wants her to have a slump of an early game, keeping her more viable as an Assassin lategame instead, which I agree is strange, and probably why her kit breaks a lot of general assassin rules.

GayFluffyUnicornJan 7, 20183 votes

She has 54% winrate on average, high af banrate and 62% winrate on mains on a champ which is not azir levels of hard to play. There is no deny. She IS overpowered no matter what from stats alone. If we wanna go indepth rubik already did that with her mr shred. I'd say the biggest problem is a no counter play instant AOE nuke which easily deals 1k magic dmg that makes her untargetable AND sends her back.

FasmodeyJan 8, 20181 votes

She has 54% winrate on average, high af banrate and 62% winrate on mains on a champ which is not azir levels of hard to play.

Can you show me where the hell do you see this statistics because I only see 52% winrate for average with 55% winrate for mains.

I mean she still deserves a nerf but not overpowered af as you show.

FasmodeyJan 8, 20181 votes

I think her MR shred should only be available for herself. Like no other teammates should have MR reduction for the enemy because she picked up a target. Just her.

ThunderSkelettJan 7, 20183 votes

Trust me you don't want it to be flat penetration

TitanAnteusJan 7, 20182 votes

I'm guessing you don't play evelynn since you're complaining about this. She's not strong. Pick her up next free week and get your butt kicked like the rest of us when we started using her.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20182 votes

picked in pro permabanned insane win rate

sure thing XD

Craft ZeppelinJan 7, 20181 votes

Are there any pro matches? I want to see how they use her.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20182 votes

https://youtu.be/YFx3-Z5SMHk?t=6420

DurzakaJan 7, 20181 votes

She is currently rocking the number 1 win rate in the jungle in plat+

Eternal TormentJan 7, 20182 votes

Honestly, up until into the lategame you don't really notice the MR shred. I Played eve a certain lot. And the MR shred doesn't really seem to do much of a difference. Since it is A single target and B depends on the 2 second delay to be procd, id say it is really just there for lategame to threaten the tank into unsafety and danger. But the risk of that is that you cannot apply the charm on a squishy target.

For how much it gives, it asks a retarded amount of decisionmaking in return. i'd say that is why it has not been touched. because of how situational and lategame scaling it is

koshkyraJan 7, 20182 votes

Because "OMG ACDS SO OP BUFF ASSASSINS PLZ RITO"

Dope SoloJan 7, 20182 votes

Eve isn't OP. Riot just "shifted her power around her kit", to make up for her extremely weak early game. Its not like she can take down the dragon at lvl 4 Warwick .

AzadetheJan 7, 20183 votes

I've done it level 3.

AsamasJan 7, 20182 votes

Why does Zoe has a free Lich Bane, tho? [sg-lux-2]

FireDrizzleJan 7, 20181 votes

I wondered why she did so much damage to me as a tank.

"how about you give zed's ult 35% armor shred to see what happens?" That all ready happens Renekton JarvanIV and so on Unless you are vs Vi or J4 you can build armour vs ad laner and jungler and their ganks can be weak.

AhrisJan 7, 20181 votes

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I wondered why she did so much damage to me as a tank.

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"how about you give zed's ult 35% armor shred to see what happens?" That all ready happens and so on Unless you are vs Vi or J4 you can build armour vs ad laner and jungler and their ganks can be weak.

Eve doesnt have any dashes she can utilize as well as zed. Eve is also more lategame than zed. You cannot compare the two.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20184 votes

all of those champions aren't supposed to be weak against tanks, because they're bruisers and shouldn't be ignored by tanks

assassins should not be able to kill tanks, or weaken them

AzadetheJan 8, 20181 votes

She does that much damage because her E is % damage, not because of W.

I've dropped well built tanks by 30-40% of their HP in one E, without charming.

But to be fair.... that same 30-40% damage E does 80-90% HP to an adc.

Her kit is built to peak around 300 AP. At 300 AP, she can assassinate with a full Combo of E and Q's and R.

However, if you let them game go on to where she has 1000 AP, her E keeps scaling, and E becomes a monster than almost 1 hits.

So yeah. She's going to eat you. With or without the W's Charm. Normally, the charm runs out before she actually E's anyways, btw. In other words, most of the time she actually W's, she follows up with the 4 Q shots, and by the time she gets to E or R, the Charm is already over. So it's not her W killing you as a tank. it's her E.

P.S. Zed's ult already has a roundabout way to give penetration. Its damage is based on pre mitigation damage, so his ult will do more than it would if armor reduced the calculations.

SEKAIJan 7, 20181 votes

Because it's percentage shred, it's barely noticeable until lategame. There is a reason why your typical Nasus players level E last when there is nothing else to level.

That said, I do feel 25% to 35% is a bit too high, given even Nasus, one of THE hypercarry only goes so far to have 15% to 35% arm shred in his E.

I am not that against Eve having MR shred, but that number can probably have some look into if I were to be honest.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20183 votes

i see, so it's only strong in late game

in mid game, a squishy has nearly 35 base mr 35% mr shred=you lost nearly 12 mr

congrat, you lost nearly 8% damage reduction, and it's worse if she built item 3020

total mr shred is effective against EVERYONE, and not only in late game

SEKAIJan 7, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7F5UELid,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-01-07T12:27:00.922+0000)

i see, so it's only strong in late game

in mid game, a squishy has nearly 35 base mr 35% mr shred=you lost nearly 12 mr

congrat, you lost nearly 8% damage reduction, and it's worse if she built

total mr shred is effective against EVERYONE, and not only in late game

As I was saying, that raw number can be looked at, which I believe it's probably too high as it is.

Nut on my ButtJan 7, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7F5UELid,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-01-07T12:27:00.922+0000)

i see, so it's only strong in late game

in mid game, a squishy has nearly 35 base mr 35% mr shred=you lost nearly 12 mr

congrat, you lost nearly 8% damage reduction, and it's worse if she built

total mr shred is effective against EVERYONE, and not only in late game

If it didn't have MR shred, it would likely have had dmg on proc instead like it does on jg camps though probably not as strong, which would be much stronger against squishies and make her more of an early game threat.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20182 votes

better than amplifying her entire team damage on a tank or on any targets