I'm so done of this botlane meta, PLEASE DO SOMETHING

D357R0Y3R··15 votes·5,863 views

Botlane has lost all its skill because riot is forcing damage on us so fucking much and remove sustain from botlane with HP5 nerf and Fleet nerf, and now you also nerfed doran shield

Botlane meta right now is just lvl 2 or lvl 3 fights, non stop, no rest, no farm, you just go in and oneshot everyone it's so fucking stupid. You cannot play any other supports than a tank supports (and pyke who's basically a tank support, don't tell me the bloody opposite) because they have: -engage -enough damage to remove half of your hp -can tank damage for you -can disengage better than enchanters this is so fucking stupid

as an adc, you're forced to pick someone who can fight in early game, you cannot play something else than Kaisa Lucian Jhin Draven MissFortune Ezreal (his W+E removes half of your hp rn and refounds him E mana). Even Karthus who's picked botlane rn deals SO MUCH DAMAGE in early game.

I don't want to play this meta, even as someone who likes Lucian, everytime I pick Ashe Twitch KogMaw I get cancer.

I want to outtrade my enemies with the different laning pathern that adcs have I want to farm better than the enemy adc I want to outroam them I want to play the game to show my game knowledge because that's what a fucking moba should be

enough with this, "one all in, one kill" game

buff enchanter's DEFENSIVE SIDE, do not fucking buff janna damage again, and don't tell us "she already protects well" because this is the biggest lie in the world.

No, the biggest lie is telling us that Caitlyn cannot be buffed because she forces everyone out of botlane. Hey Meddler, do you know that cait has not been a lane bully ever since you gave her the lowest base HP in the game? One all in from a support and she fucking dies She has a negative win rate into Lucian and draven, two lanes that she should hardcounters You removed 4 ad from her early game while she already had one of the lowest base ad in the game, she does not bully since forever

Nerf Alistar MORE than a shitty base health nerf, he needs to not remove more than half of your health by his spells nerf Pyke Buff sustain back

tune the damage of this game, this game is a MOBA that should needs a brain to be played. What do you think League is? because you seem to destroy it more and more based on what YOU want.

35 Comments

Noor Sakata7 votes

Idk I pick Ashe and I'm fine most of times

Feminist015 votes

I play vayne exclusively, doesn't seem that bad to be honest. The dark harvest nerf was great and really, utility supports were always more abusive than tank supports.

IOffMeta GtOvrIt5 votes

I second that statement, for the longest time enchanters ruled the roost with almost no opposition and their staggering win rates showed it.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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I play vayne exclusively, doesn't seem that bad to be honest. The dark harvest nerf was great and really, utility supports were always more abusive than tank supports.

Vayne's my top mastery and played ADC also.

All I'm gonna say is

Have fun vs any mage with half a brain cell.

You won't be playing League of Legends.... You'll be playing Dodge Ball for 30 mins while having to surrender 90% of your CS

Everything does too much damage.

Janna Nami can point and click away 20% of your health with their extremely low cooldown W abilities at level 1.

Zyra Brand can 1 shot you after backing with 450g. item 3098

LTK KoRo4 votes

Yes, lets buff adcs again and funnel entire fun from the game into them... again.

No one want to play around adcs and botlane anymore, only you guys want to go back to the "better bot wins" meta.

ModWulf Helhammer6 votes

The only time is was that was during ardent meta if you had a coordinated team.

And even then, that was because of the support, not the Adc.

LTK KoRo3 votes

No.

Pre 8.11 entire meta resolved around botlane. Im pretty sure there were millions of complains from:

-botlaners, that their lane is all time 4 man fiesta -junglers, that they are forced to play around botside -midlaners, that they are forced to roam on bot only -toplaners, that they have 0 impact.

All of these complaints were legit from patches 8.1-8.10

OtterlyLost4 votes

I'm just tired of Tristana being trash... shes the lowest winrate ADC and as a main, I can feel it. She feels bad to play. She cant last the early game, her midgame is worse than her early game, and the changes to crit items have made it so her late is not nearly impressive enough to make up for the bad early and mid. Like she gets bullied out of lane so hard in the early. The best success I've had with her is playing solo lanes and even then, if she gets all in'd or ganked, she just loses and cant do anything.

Just give her back her early game range. No placebo buffs, no buffs to her base stats, no changes to her damage. Just give her back 550 starting range so she can make it through lane phase, ffs. Hell, nerf her passive if you want in exchange. But revert that nerf to her early game range that, honestly, she didnt deserve; crit items and supports were grossly over inflating her actual power level, which is proven by the fact that after you nerfed both, shes sitting in the gutter as an over nerfed mess.

After3perma3 votes

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I'm just tired of Tristana being trash... shes the lowest winrate ADC and as a main, I can feel it. She feels bad to play. She cant last the early game, her midgame is worse than her early game, and the changes to crit items have made it so her late is not nearly impressive enough to make up for the bad early and mid. Like she gets bullied out of lane so hard in the early. The best success I've had with her is playing solo lanes and even then, if she gets all in'd or ganked, she just loses and cant do anything.

Just give her back her early game range. No placebo buffs, no buffs to her base stats, no changes to her damage. Just give her back 550 starting range so she can make it through lane phase, ffs. Hell, nerf her passive if you want in exchange. But revert that nerf to her early game range that, honestly, she didnt deserve; crit items and supports were grossly over inflating her actual power level, which is proven by the fact that after you nerfed both, shes sitting in the gutter as an over nerfed mess.

Except when Trist gets one kill, and her bullshit E destroys towers and champions in 2 seconds. "TRIST IS BROKEN CHAMP, IM GONNA CRY". She is a fking late game champion, she is meant to be weak early game to compensate.

OtterlyLost4 votes

She's Tristana. Not Draven. And even if you leave lane 4/0 with decent farm, your mid game is extremely weak and you're left praying that your mid and top and jungle didnt feed other parts of the map. And considering it takes more than 2 seconds the stack her E, your hyperbole is ridiculous.

Seleena3 votes

They nerfed enchanters shielding/healing powers recently with heavy nerfs, so I guess we should all play tanky supports cus riot's balance team is absolute garbage.

After3perma3 votes

ADC champions are the reason why there is no strategy in League. Lets play super safe hyper scaling champions and right click everything to death while other champions have to use abilities to deal the same damage.

Fear the Kayn3 votes

Nerfing Pyke isn't gong to do anything. People will just start playing Pantheon just like in season 3 and you'll find true suffering. The support role has completely changed forever probably because people like to play champions that can actually fight people.

Kaioko1 votes

They've already announced that they are looking at crit items in the next patch to buff them a bit without making them OP again. If they do that, you'll have more scaling marksmen again which will change how bot lane interacts.

D357R0Y3R9 votes

this doeesn't change the fact that you die in one all in

you don't need to buff crit when the problem is that tank support + caster adc will kill you in one rotation, it's absolutely retarded Crit doesn't need a buff, ADC gameplay does not need to go back to "casino simulation" What needs to be changed is that now, you should be able to lane more peacefully in lane you should not die because you didn't dodge one single hook of pyke

Speeedy7 votes

don't forget then losing 1-2 turret plates putting you behind even further

D357R0Y3R1 votes

i forgot something really important thank you

Speeedy1 votes

:)

Laquinscerra2 votes

bruh your last sentence is so accurate. you don't know how MANY TIMES I have RAGED because of ONE MISTAKE. I can win lane the whole time but as soon as ONE HOOK, its GG. I guess this is one of those triggered memes, because this shit pisses me off.

Irelia Bot1 votes

Everyone except champs with like 70% damage reduction die to all ins with what the game has become.

Irelia Bot1 votes

They are going to over buff marksmen again when marksmen are all around doing alright when they are not trying to kill an Alistar building tank.

Still waiting for marksmen which make up about 13% of the champ roster to make up less than 15% of the play rate instead of constant 20%+.

Doge20201 votes

Well getting bursted down as a marksman is part of the game. Late game champs who are also super tanky and can’t die would be very unhealthy for the game.

I agree that damage should and must be tuned down a little more, but rn you can make precautions to try and avoid dying and getting bursted down so much. Like having a tahm eat you before an assassin can get near you. Or Zil using R on you and having a tanky champ or a champ with lots of CC options to CC the assassin.

I have been playing adc’s a lot more recently and I kinda like the state they are in currently, many of them aren’t too strong (except for a certain few lol) but they also aren’t super weak either. They have reall good range and carry potential, but it is balanced with how squishy and how easily they can blow up.

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

I see mage cancer like Brand and Lux more than I see tank supports. Hell, tank supports would be welcome they're actually doing the job RIGHT.

The damage-centric champions need to be removed from Support role and it needs to be kept for utility characters only. Autofills who just use Support to play whatever they were going to take elsewhere anyway f they hadn't been autofilled are the problem.

3TWarrior1 votes

riot used to have this system and it wasn't so bad, but it made support fairly unfun to play

remember when laning phase was over and support would only have a sight stone when everyone else had 2 - 3 items ?

that's why carries are more common in the position now: gold income is way higher

Slade251 votes

[(https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=ADC)]

So yeah read that link. It says the three ADC's you said are bad actually are all within the 6 best ADC's right now, according to winrate. Use stats to back up your arguments, not feelings

D357R0Y3R1 votes

weird how those champs have a trash pick rate, meanwhile kai'sa lucian jhin have around 30-40% pick rate

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charge attack1 votes

Cait does not “hard counter” Draven or Lucian lmao. She hard counters Vayne.

A Chaotic Mind1 votes

she used to counter draven, this is why draven one tricks used to ban her. also had a really good matchup vs lucian if she didn't get enaged on by the support

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Cait does not “hard counter” Draven or Lucian lmao. She hard counters Vayne.

Cait hard counters UNEDUCATED Vaynes.

I'm a Vayne player myself, little short of 1.1 million mastery.

Caitlyn Vayne is a matchup I've played a lot of, as both the Vayne and the Caitlyn player.

 

This matchup is NOT an auto loss for Vayne.

Once you get item 3153 you can easily fight Caitlyn IF you dodge Piltover Peacemaker and 90 Caliber Net.

Caitlyn's only escape option vs Vayne if her net is down is Flash.

 

According to LeagueofGraphs, Caitlyn is the matchup I've played the most as Vayne and I currently hold a 71.4% win rate as Vayne against Caitlyn

https://i.gyazo.com/787a0d0463779eb881b4206331308665.png

Kattzy1 votes

My 83% win rate on Sona in preseason begs to differ lol. I never see tanks bot lane but maybe we're different elos (and also I am in NA). [sona-playing]

3TWarrior1 votes

I'd actually rather that the support champions have their damage buffed and their CC durations and utility reduced. It would let most of the champions have similar strengths and weaknesses in the role, especially after it started to become where damage was just as valuable as utility in the early game

Irelia Bot1 votes

Delete shared Exp getting boosted by about 31% so having 2 or 3 champs in a single lane for an extended amount of time will lead to level advantages for the person who is outnumbered.

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